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I hear ya. I have always wanted to do the whole trail alone forging human contact as I go but, the danger factor is too high for me. Tragic and sad that one can't.

it really is. with the attention given to safety for women being far less than the attention given to killing women and a punishment standard of community service street cleaning given for the brutal beatings of women we might all just as well be wearing burkas. we need to take back the days as well as the nights.


I'm not spending any time in Va. Done before and last resort is Nantahala and, will once I hit the southern end of my trip. If I can not get something set up around Seneca Creek / Rock area in W Va.

ive heard of nantahala. thats supposed to be a beautiful area. you do a lot of white water paddling? im more of a flat water girl. i dont have the upper body strength to handle the rough water

Has any one seen the link I provided? It seems the collective action has worked somewhat in getting the attention of the Democratic party and, the Obama Administration. Lots of somewhat important Gay representation have responded to the letters and voices opposing them  going and, handing over gay monies to the Biden fundraiser. There is a "A" list of gays invited to the whitehouse for ****tails

lol i want to know how people get on this list? yanno? this A list thing is beginning to bug me. are there lesbians on it? are there middle class and poor queers on it? are there queers of color on it? are there trans folk on it? who knows? its all a big mystery.


which is not being received in the community well. It is obvious it is a direct result of the voices speaking out against what transpired with DOMA and, the horriby damaging words within it. And, how ridiculous to attend all the while 2 gays a day are being discharged from the military during an administration that says it supports us? I think the rpessure need to be ramped up on them and, no more support until we see something concrete for us.

i hate to say it but money is always a big motivator and second to voice. if the pres can sanction those who dare to disagree with the us then maybe we can learn to speak the govts language and call for sanctions against those who choose to uphold this crap.


us as the DOJ brief did. Write your letters ladies. I think we have them listening now. lol Gator

i have been writing and im collecting form letters in return. i figure if i keep writing and responding to the form letters sooner or later ill get some real dialogue going...er.. or end up with a file somewhere:)

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http://www.obamasplanforgayrights.com/

 

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only here and there and maybe the Appalachian Crossing to see those who will be making a 4 day 120 mile RUN which i have to see to believe. Mostly it will be short multiple day waterfall hikes and climbs. i need the negative ions:) i also want to trout fish, paddle a bit and, walk some caverns. and eat great food and sleep in a nice comfy bed away from the elements of nature:) Gator

 

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sounds perfect to me:) be careful on the trail in the VA area. Two women were killed in that area and the person of interest was released for lack of evidence or something. Ive done some sections of the trail mostly in mass and new hampshire lots of one day adventures and the summer before last did a 3 day trek with some friends. one of my dreams was to practice by section hiking for a year or two and then do the whole deal from a to z and the reports of violence along parts of the trail sort of killed that idea for me.  where are you planning to paddle? 

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TYVM but, I really have not left yet;) keep calling me honey..........i may never:) little short starts and stops planning for the big adventure. You cruised yet? it's sure enough hot and these days i find myself living with my water wings on.Gator

with regard to water wings. me too. just to walk to the car:) wb gator.

 

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I'd be darn excited about the room view too:) MY big trip is September and, it is a multi state Mountain trek. I have been taking mini trips by force this year since it has been too long since I have vacationed and, now in the re learning process. I'm picking it up fast. lol No pool. I swim in the springs. Gator

are you hiking the big trail?

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only here and there and maybe the Appalachian Crossing to see those who will be making a 4 day 120 mile RUN which i have to see to believe. Mostly it will be short multiple day waterfall hikes and climbs. i need the negative ions:) i also want to trout fish, paddle a bit and, walk some caverns. and eat great food and sleep in a nice comfy bed away from the elements of nature:) Gator

 

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My Turn wrote:

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http://www.obamasplanforgayrights.com/

anybody miss me? Gator

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welcome back honey....  

 

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TYVM but, I really have not left yet;) keep calling me honey..........i may never:) little short starts and stops planning for the big adventure. You cruised yet? it's sure enough hot and these days i find myself living with my water wings on.Gator

 

 

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no....no cruise yet...me, my 17 y/o and his gf all are doing the summer term at college till july 24.....THEN we go!!! yay!   we will be gone from aug 16 to aug 23.  then back to school for us the 24th and the little guys the 25th.  i cant wait...jaime, my 17y/o's gf is getting pretty excited....keeps talking about the excursions and what do i think of this one or that one....and the little guys are all excited to have a balcony stateroom this time.....and i have to admit, so am i....  

 

when do you head out...??

 

water wings...lol...thats pretty funny...you have a pool too? ...sure has been hot....seems like just in the past 5 days or so it has gotten terrible....thank the god for backyard pools!!

 

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I'd be darn excited about the room view too:) MY big trip is September and, it is a multi state Mountain trek. I have been taking mini trips by force this year since it has been too long since I have vacationed and, now in the re learning process. I'm picking it up fast. lol No pool. I swim in the springs. Gator

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anybody miss me? Gator

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welcome back honey....  

 

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TYVM but, I really have not left yet;) keep calling me honey..........i may never:) little short starts and stops planning for the big adventure. You cruised yet? it's sure enough hot and these days i find myself living with my water wings on.Gator

 

 

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no....no cruise yet...me, my 17 y/o and his gf all are doing the summer term at college till july 24.....THEN we go!!! yay!   we will be gone from aug 16 to aug 23.  then back to school for us the 24th and the little guys the 25th.  i cant wait...jaime, my 17y/o's gf is getting pretty excited....keeps talking about the excursions and what do i think of this one or that one....and the little guys are all excited to have a balcony stateroom this time.....and i have to admit, so am i....  

when do you head out...??

water wings...lol...thats pretty funny...you have a pool too? ...sure has been hot....seems like just in the past 5 days or so it has gotten terrible....thank the god for backyard pools!!

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nesea wrote:

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A Rachel Maddow tweet lead to this blog.  You're gonna be pissed when you read.

just sayin ..........

Friday, June 12, 2009

Obama defends DOMA in federal court. Says banning gay marriage is good for the federal budget. Invokes incest and marrying children.

by John Aravosis (DC) on 6/12/2009 09:44:00 AM

UPDATE: Mormon Bush holdover helped write and file anti-gay DOMA brief.

UPDATE: Gay groups rip Obama.

UPDATE: Are gay politicians going to continue hosting gay pride fundraiser for Joe Biden?

UPDATE: Obama spokesman caught lying to Politico.


AMERICAblog News| A great nation deserves the truth: Obama defends DOMA in federal court. Says banning gay marriage is good f...

 

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ayup change we can believe in. :::::eyeroll:::::: id say write to him and share your feelings but mebbe write to hillary and encourage that 12 run and oh yeah copy his ass in.

 

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See the problem here is he owns a car company, Citibank, and GE. He has the underground footsoldiers and an obvious interest in the collapse of a major middle eastern nation. Naturally his preference would be a non muslim one which is why I suspect he is so "tempered" and "cautious" in speaking to the world and sending our collective message. ISN"T THAT WHAT HE'S THERE FOR? He is our representative. A mute one. But, back to the ownership of industry, a bank and having a readied infrastructure. Once that's comfortably in place there is nothing Congress or anyone can do to stop the total collapse of our economy so to "redistribute" the now, borrowed wealth. This blossoming marxism, the one so many refuse to believe? It's real.  Change you can believe in? It's not your mothers change, is it? BD

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Owl, I'm not able to "quote", just reply and this looks funny.

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Court rejects challenge to 'dont ask, dont tell'

By LARA JAKES Associated Press June 8, 200

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What did you think of this?

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See, here's what bugs me about the above:

Barack Obama is not a stupid man.

no, hes not and hes taught constitutional law. how can he even go to this place?

 

1. The last two sentences make no sense whatsoever, inasmuch as DOMA is precisely the issue here, and he knows damn well, it's a federal law.

If he really DOES believe, as he says: 

"I don't think it makes sense for the federal government to get in the business of determining what marriage is. That isn't traditionally the federal government's role,"

then it would seem he would have seized this opportunity to have said DOMA, a FEDERAL wall, the Federal wall, standing between same-sex couples and their equal access to their constitutionally guaranteed rights, needs to be overturned. Saying "it isn't the federal government's role" at this point is closing the barn door after the cows have fled.

good point.

2. He knows Civil Unions and Marriage are vastly different, and to go with this line of reasoning is about as close to intellectually dishonest as he can get. Additionally, it's actually damaging to those on what is clearly the other side of this battle, because it perpetuates the myth that civil unions and marriage are comparable. I can already hear this argument being repeated time after time after time in debates.


3."...that they have a whole host of legal rights that they currently do not have."

Such as? Just what "rights" specifically,  Mr. President? WHAT RIGHTS? To use the front door when they come a'callin'? What have YOU done for GLBT people since... EVER, other than ask Hillary Clinton to be in your cabinet?

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HUM!?!? I WISH!

i love this pix.  i think buckie gets dog treats for not eating the pretty owies!

 

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"I think gays and lesbians have a friend in the White House because I've consistently committed myself to civil unions, making sure that they have to visit each other in hospitals, that they are able to access benefits, that they have a whole host of legal rights that they currently do not have. I don't think it makes sense for the federal government to get in the business of determining what marriage is. That isn't traditionally the federal government's role."

What did you think of this?

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See, here's what bugs me about the above:

Barack Obama is not a stupid man.

1. The last two sentences make no sense whatsoever, inasmuch as DOMA is precisely the issue here, and he knows damn well, it's a federal law.

If he really DOES believe, as he says: 

"I don't think it makes sense for the federal government to get in the business of determining what marriage is. That isn't traditionally the federal government's role,"

then it would seem he would have seized this opportunity to have said DOMA, a FEDERAL wall, the Federal wall, standing between same-sex couples and their equal access to their constitutionally guaranteed rights, needs to be overturned. Saying "it isn't the federal government's role" at this point is closing the barn door after the cows have fled.

2. He knows Civil Unions and Marriage are vastly different, and to go with this line of reasoning is about as close to intellectually dishonest as he can get. Additionally, it's actually damaging to those on what is clearly the other side of this battle, because it perpetuates the myth that civil unions and marriage are comparable. I can already hear this argument being repeated time after time after time in debates.


3."...that they have a whole host of legal rights that they currently do not have."

Such as? Just what "rights" specifically,  Mr. President? WHAT RIGHTS? To use the front door when they come a'callin'? What have YOU done for GLBT people since... EVER, other than ask Hillary Clinton to be in your cabinet?

How spendid that American diplomats TO OTHER COUNTRIES now have some parity with their ("more equal")  heterosexual counterparts, but in terms of all sorts of other federal laws specific to marriage, the line of division still stands, even for those American.

Hillary Clinton to Grant Equal Benefits to Gay Diplomats

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"...gays and lesbians have a friend in the White House"

Yeah? Well, with "friends" like Barack Obama ...

 

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Last night, NBC Nightly News anchor Brian Williams interviewed President Barack Obama and asked him one question, without follow-up,  on LGBT issues: "Do gays and lesbians who want to get married have a friend in the White House."

With the exception of the LGBT Pride Month Proclamation that was released this week, this exchange marks the first time the President has specifically and verbally addressed LGBT issues since his inauguration. The verbatim of the President's answer:

"I think gays and lesbians have a friend in the White House because I've consistently committed myself to civil unions, making sure that they have to visit each other in hospitals, that they are able to access benefits, that they have a whole host of legal rights that they currently do not have. I don't think it makes sense for the federal government to get in the business of determining what marriage is. That isn't traditionally the federal government's role."

What did you think of this?



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:::hands on hips:::

Thanks a LOT, Psych! Because of YOU, I've been wandering through my morning, humming and singing that Holly Near tune.

Probably just as well ... I suspect the neighbors were beginning to tire of hearing "Lydia the Tattooed Lady"emanate from my back yard...

(Do I love my dog? Do I have any CHOICE? He's the only creature on earth, who likes my singing!)

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you have to get bucky to hum along! rooo rooo ro roo ro rorororo rooooo!

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That said, I'd still take an Obama SCOTUS over a McCain one, any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.   

 

 

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Court rejects challenge to 'dont ask, dont tell'

By LARA JAKES Associated Press June 8, 2009

 

WASHINGTON The Supreme Court today turned down a challenge to the Pentagon policy forbidding gays and lesbians from serving openly in the military, granting an Obama administration request to maintain the Clinton-era dont ask, dont tell directive.

 

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Obama: "Gays and Lesbians Have a Friend in the White House"

Last night, NBC Nightly News anchor Brian Williams interviewed President Barack Obama and asked him one question, without follow-up,  on LGBT issues: "Do gays and lesbians who want to get married have a friend in the White House."

With the exception of the LGBT Pride Month Proclamation that was released this week, this exchange marks the first time the President has specifically and verbally addressed LGBT issues since his inauguration. The verbatim of the President's answer:

"I think gays and lesbians have a friend in the White House because I've consistently committed myself to civil unions, making sure that they have to visit each other in hospitals, that they are able to access benefits, that they have a whole host of legal rights that they currently do not have. I don't think it makes sense for the federal government to get in the business of determining what marriage is. That isn't traditionally the federal government's role."

What did you think of this? The answer is confusing to me because the federal government, via the Defense of Marriage Act, unfortunately is already "determining what marriage is." There are hundreds of benefits administered by the feds, such as IRS filing status, Social Security benefits, Medicaid, etc. that impact married couples. The federal issue gains importance as more and more states enact marriage equality.  Perhaps this is Obama's way to begin a soft-focus on DOMA? That would be nice.

Pam Spaulding has a blunt assessment of the response by the former constitutional law professor. "The answer ... is highly qualified to the point of useless and confusing. He believes separate is equal. The President said the decision about marriage equality belongs at the state level (unlike, I suppose, interracial marriage, eh?), so therefore he believes that states should be able to ban gay and lesbian couples from marrying. Do we need a friend like that?"

Cheney Comes Out for Gay Marriage, State-by-State

By Dan Eggen
Former vice president Richard Cheney waded into another simmering public debate today, suggesting he supports legalizing gay marriage as long as the issue is decided by the states rather than the federal government.

Cheney, whose youngest daughter is a lesbian with a longtime partner, said during an appearance at the National Press Club that "people ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish, any kind of arrangement they wish."

He said he does not support federal action allowing gay marriages, however. "Historically the way marriage has been regulated is at the state level," Cheney said. "It has always been a state issue and I think that is the way it ought to be handled, on a state-by-state basis."

Cheney has long departed from conservative orthodoxy on the issue of gay marriage, saying during the 2000 presidential campaign that the matter should be left to the states. He also prompted an uproar during the 2004 race when he appeared to distance himself from a proposed constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, which was strongly supported by his boss, George W. Bush.

But his endorsement of state-sanctioned marriage for gays and lesbians appears to put him to the left of President Obama, who has said he supports civil unions rather than marriage for same-sex couples.

"With the respect to the question of relationships, my general view is freedom means freedom for everyone," Cheney said at a 2004 campaign stop in Davenport, Iowa, using language nearly identical to his remarks today. "People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to."

As he has in the past, Cheney specifically cited his family's experience during his comments in Washington today. "As many of you know, one of my daughters is gay and it is something we have lived with for a long time in our family," Cheney said.

Cheney's youngest daughter, Mary, and her longtime partner, Heather Poe, have a son, Samuel, who was born to Mary Cheney in 2007. Both Mary and her older sister, Elizabeth, have been prominent supporters of their father and Republican causes, although Mary has said in interviews that she considered quitting the Bush re-election effort in 2004 because of the gay marriage issue.