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well manners are always an important aspect of this. lol. wwjmd?




 

imslow.gifyep .. that's the "i'm slow" emoticon ... which gives me license to ask ... exactly what does wwjmd mean ??

 



"What would Jesus Martinez do"??confuse.gif

wandas brother? ? lol



judith martin ;)

ding! winner!

i think we need a lesbian ms manners. the world just screams for it.

dear ms manners i went out with this girl and i really like her but she wont stop talking about her ex. why do women do this?  signed always the bridesmaid

dear ms bridesmaid, ms lezzymanners fully agrees that such extended processing is at best tacky and at worst self defeating. it and really should fall into the category of what one does in the pri-vicy of ones own shrine to the exs.

dear ms manners ive been with my partner for several years and sadly i think the thrill is gone. lately shes begun to f*art in my presence and shes leaving the door to the bathroom open as she does her business. what should i do?   signed gla-de

dear gla-de ms lezzymanners is in full agreement with you. after all a woman needs to keep a certain mysterious air about her not a noxious cloud. cut out this column and tape it to the bathroom mirror where shell see it.






 



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Sometimes it hurts like hell. ;)

 

well manners are always an important aspect of this. lol. wwjmd?




 

imslow.gif  yep .. that's the "i'm slow" emoticon ... which gives me license to ask ... exactly what does wwjmd mean ??

 



"What would Jesus Martinez do"??confuse.gif

 



judith martin ;)

 



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nesea wrote:

Psych Lit wrote:

 

Anonymous wrote:



Sometimes it hurts like hell. ;)

 

well manners are always an important aspect of this. lol. wwjmd?




 

imslow.gif  yep .. that's the "i'm slow" emoticon ... which gives me license to ask ... exactly what does wwjmd mean ??

 



"What would Jesus Martinez do"??confuse.gif

 



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Psych Lit wrote:

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Sometimes it hurts like hell. ;)

 

well manners are always an important aspect of this. lol. wwjmd?




 

imslow.gif  yep .. that's the "i'm slow" emoticon ... which gives me license to ask ... exactly what does wwjmd mean ??

 



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Sometimes it hurts like hell. ;)

 

well manners are always an important aspect of this. lol. wwjmd?




 



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interesting article psych. On the bright side, there seems to be a contingent of scholars that still hold Dyson in high regard and believe him to be one of the greatest thinkers of his time. 


and thank the goddesses for that or we might never have heard of him or of his thinking on this. it never hurts to hear other perspectives on things.

 




 



Sometimes it hurts like hell. ;)

 



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I have a problem with his poke at global warming when vastly his reasons for doing so have nothing to do with science. I also am terribly frightened of those pushing genetically altered plants and trees. For instance,  a new genetic corn does not reproduce and, that was made so the makers can make enormous profits. All have to buy seed every year. It also cross pollinates and renders heirloom seeds sterile. Heritage and self suffinecy gone. It's a brillant mind to think of it as was the a bomb but, look where we are because of it. No thank you to his idea of a test tube tree that will gobble up CO2. But, why does he ponder answers to something he does not believ in? I truely believe any man that discounts those who live with common sense feels one such can not survive without his leading. It did not read like it is about global warming for him by the statement below. The again, I found his explanation below just plan crazy. Gator.

Beyond the specific points of factual dispute, Dyson has said that it all boils down to a deeper disagreement about values between those who think nature knows best and that any gross human disruption of the natural environment is evil, and humanists, like himself, who contend that protecting the existing biosphere is not as important as fighting more repugnant evils like war, poverty and unemployment.

 



On the flip side .. hybrids tend to be pest and disease resistant, reducing the likelihood of widespread crop loss and famine while producing a greater yield per acre than traditional seed. I understand what you're saying about dependency on genetically altered plants though .. and I know there's a concerted effort underway (by "seed savers") to preserve original seeds of most types of fruit and vegetables. It's important work .. that.
Does it have to be all or nothing at all? I think there's a middle ground here .. where we must help nature to help us. It's because of human intervention that earth is in the state it is right now .. I'm sure it will take human intervention to correct. I don't think Mr Dyson intended to replace every tree on earth with a CO 2 gobbling tree .. but maybe small groves tucked here and there would ease the carbon burden on the planet.
I dunno .. maybe I'm naive, but I think it's going to take some "outside the box" thinking to solve many of today's challenges and I'm always in awe when I encounter one of those thinkers.

 



What I like about the global warming side is the message of the need for behaviors to be changed. I don't think genetic seed monopoly by corporate America wil solve world hunger. I think it will in fact get worse. We all have seen how non humanist they truely are. And, that aspect and, those that think outside the box ,who bring the ideas with a wish for mankind get gobbled up like those CO2 trees. Since "String Medicine" to the market collapse, the lesson of that kind of greed and, corruption and, how it is going to kill us off has gone pretty much ignored. The purpose of genetic seeds and the proposed CO2 tree comes with the pirce of proliferation and, those new limits have yet to be determined. Just caution needed as Dyson pointed out in the article. I too am always in awe and, was impressed with all the human concerns he says he has, I would love to know what action towards those aside from theorizing he has done. Gator

 



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I have a problem with his poke at global warming when vastly his reasons for doing so have nothing to do with science. I also am terribly frightened of those pushing genetically altered plants and trees. For instance,  a new genetic corn does not reproduce and, that was made so the makers can make enormous profits. All have to buy seed every year. It also cross pollinates and renders heirloom seeds sterile. Heritage and self suffinecy gone.  It's a brillant mind to think of it as was the a bomb but, look where we are because of it. No thank you to his idea of a test tube tree that will gobble up CO2. But, why does he ponder answers to something he does not believ in? I truely believe any man that discounts those who live with common sense feels one such can not survive without his leading. It did not read like it is about global warming for him by the statement below. The again, I found his explanation below just plan crazy. Gator.

Beyond the specific points of factual dispute, Dyson has said that it all boils down to a deeper disagreement about values between those who think nature knows best and that any gross human disruption of the natural environment is evil, and humanists, like himself, who contend that protecting the existing biosphere is not as important as fighting more repugnant evils like war, poverty and unemployment.

 



On the flip side .. hybrids tend to be pest and disease resistant, reducing the likelihood of widespread crop loss and famine while producing a greater yield per acre than traditional seed. I understand what you're saying about dependency on genetically altered plants though .. and I know there's a concerted effort underway (by "seed savers") to preserve original seeds of most types of fruit and vegetables. It's important work .. that.
 
Does it have to be all or nothing at all? I think there's a middle ground here .. where we must help nature to help us. It's because of human intervention that earth is in the state it is right now .. I'm sure it will take human intervention to correct. I don't think Mr Dyson intended to replace every tree on earth with a CO 2 gobbling tree .. but maybe small groves tucked here and there would ease the carbon burden on the planet.
 
I dunno .. maybe I'm naive, but I think it's going to take some "outside the box" thinking to solve many of today's challenges and I'm always in awe when I encounter one of those thinkers.

 



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interesting article psych. On the bright side, there seems to be a contingent of scholars that still hold Dyson in high regard and believe him to be one of the greatest thinkers of his time. 


and thank the goddesses for that or we might never have heard of him or of his thinking on this. it never hurts to hear other perspectives on things.

 




 



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I have a problem with his poke at global warming when vastly his reasons for doing so have nothing to do with science. I also am terribly frightened of those pushing genetically altered plants and trees. For instance,  a new genetic corn does not reproduce and, that was made so the makers can make enormous profits. All have to buy seed every year. It also cross pollinates and renders heirloom seeds sterile. Heritage and self suffinecy gone.  It's a brillant mind to think of it as was the a bomb but, look where we are because of it. No thank you to his idea of a test tube tree that will gobble up CO2. But, why does he ponder answers to something he does not believ in? I truely believe any man that discounts those who live with common sense feels one such can not survive without his leading. It did not read like it is about global warming for him by the statement below. The again, I found his explanation below just plan crazy. Gator.

one of the reasons i liked hearing about this is that there is a tendency among people these days to not ask questions once some declaration of knowledge has been made. i think thats wrong.  do humans raise the co2 levels on earth? yes. is that the only reason the climate is changing? i think not. there is something else going on and if we stop asking questions we will be as blindsided by climate change as we were by this economic crisis. how is it that all of those economists didnt see this mess coming down the pike? well some did but their voices were drowned out by the consensus that all was well and here we are. greenland is the epicenter of research on climate change and yet once upon a time in the previous history of that region the ice also melted. and then there was an ice age. his point that once the earth had co2 levels higher than they are now is well taken. if we dont stop and ask what all of this means we are going to miss something important.  maybe we have moved a smidge closer to the sun. maybe the earth is preparing for another ice age. i dunno, not my area of expertise but it certainly interests me and im liking that there are people who do understand all of the physical sciences asking other questions!


Beyond the specific points of factual dispute, Dyson has said that it all boils down to a deeper disagreement about values between those who think nature knows best and that any gross human disruption of the natural environment is evil, and humanists, like himself, who contend that protecting the existing biosphere is not as important as fighting more repugnant evils like war, poverty and unemployment.

dunno think about that for a bit. can earth correct itself? that does seem to be the trend. too many people and we have a famine or a plague to thin things out and that probably happens with temperature as well. lets say that we focus on those last things, war poverty and unemployment. these are things that do effect the climate. look at haiti once lush and now mostly deforested and that is due to poverty and war. that deforestation does effect the climate regionally but look at how much of the planet has been deforested or disrupted by willy nilly growth or cutting down the rain forests or strip mining to conquer unemployment and poverty without thinking of the future. the southern half of the US, parts of central and south america, where fertile fields were a result of proximity to the rainy areas now there is drought. in a just world were peoples minimal needs are met there is then room to discuss preserving some of these natural cleaners of the earth which may keep the planet more in balance.

 




 



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one of the casualties of the mix of politics and science has been the freedom to disagree for those who dont necessarily support majority views. however those who poke at accepted theory make possible other ways of looking at problems and rather than dismissing them we really should be embracing their thinking. a case in point in this weeks new york times mag article on freeman dyson

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html?ref=magazine



I have a problem with his poke at global warming when vastly his reasons for doing so have nothing to do with science. I also am terribly frightened of those pushing genetically altered plants and trees. For instance,  a new genetic corn does not reproduce and, that was made so the makers can make enormous profits. All have to buy seed every year. It also cross pollinates and renders heirloom seeds sterile. Heritage and self suffinecy gone.  It's a brillant mind to think of it as was the a bomb but, look where we are because of it. No thank you to his idea of a test tube tree that will gobble up CO2. But, why does he ponder answers to something he does not believ in? I truely believe any man that discounts those who live with common sense feels one such can not survive without his leading. It did not read like it is about global warming for him by the statement below. The again, I found his explanation below just plan crazy. Gator.

Beyond the specific points of factual dispute, Dyson has said that it all boils down to a deeper disagreement about values between those who think nature knows best and that any gross human disruption of the natural environment is evil, and humanists, like himself, who contend that protecting the existing biosphere is not as important as fighting more repugnant evils like war, poverty and unemployment.

 



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Psych Lit wrote:

one of the casualties of the mix of politics and science has been the freedom to disagree for those who dont necessarily support majority views. however those who poke at accepted theory make possible other ways of looking at problems and rather than dismissing them we really should be embracing their thinking. a case in point in this weeks new york times mag article on freeman dyson

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html?ref=magazine



interesting article psych. On the bright side, there seems to be a contingent of scholars that still hold Dyson in high regard and believe him to be one of the greatest thinkers of his time. 



  

 



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one of the casualties of the mix of politics and science has been the freedom to disagree for those who dont necessarily support majority views. however those who poke at accepted theory make possible other ways of looking at problems and rather than dismissing them we really should be embracing their thinking. a case in point in this weeks new york times mag article on freeman dyson

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html?ref=magazine

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