Well, one thing she was doing was working for education in New York... at a "job" ... three days a week. She's also a member of the bar in New York (and D.C. too.) I think it's safe to say this woman has been "involved" in politics her whole life, although she's not held office. I wonder what qualifications we look for in a US Senator (just as I did with president.) Bobby Kennedy once held that same seat -- and also had never before been "elected" to office, as far as I know. Yeah, he'd been Attorney General, but wasn't "elected" to that position.
and then there were her two books coauthored with ellen alderman and written back in the 90s. in our defensethe right to privacy both of which speak volumes (get it? har har) about what ails this country right now. We need someone who is passionate about the rights given to us by the constitution and we need someone who is passionate about what the loss of privacy means to us both from an existential pov and from a freedom perspective.
I guess the big charge against Caroline Kennedy's being appointed to that office is that she's not been elected to office before. Honestly? I don't think the woman needs to start as mayor of Wasalla, Alaska, or even on the Tempe City Council. By that, I mean that her life experience --
im surprised by this point of attack on her. isnt change the mantra these days? arent people upset that the new cabinet is sorta looking like the old cabinet? shes not run before but she has good political bones and perhaps a fresh perspective and lets hope lots of uncle teds liberalism rubbed off on her:)
the one thing that feels like it may be worthy of consideration is the dynasty thing. if she wasnt caroline kenndy would you object to her vying for the slot or would you support someone with her credentials if she didnt have the kennedy baggage? i think shed make a great senator but i also think that it might be nice to see a new face in there tho if it isnt her it will prolly be the other legacy player and there are more than enough white males in the senate.
BoxDog wrote:The republicans are, however, notably so, making comments on the obvious fact that Caroline Kennedys potential APPOINTMENT to the US Senate will be a blatant, albeit, no tangible cash payback for her support of Obama. Her future cash affect to the re-election of Patterson, if possible, and the cash potential to her own "REAL" running in the future is very real. I think it's fascinating that this woman refused to even answer the benign question of "have you ever been to northern New York". That's a real question and was really refused an answer. WTF. That's all, as Patty Blago*** would say, eff you Kennedy, it's a namesake entitlement, go back to selling memoirs and doing whatever you've been doing for the past twenty five years.
Well, one thing she was doing was working for education in New York... at a "job" ... three days a week. She's also a member of the bar in New York (and D.C. too.) I think it's safe to say this woman has been "involved" in politics her whole life, although she's not held office. I wonder what qualifications we look for in a US Senator (just as I did with president.) Bobby Kennedy once held that same seat -- and also had never before been "elected" to office, as far as I know. Yeah, he'd been Attorney General, but wasn't "elected" to that position.
I think in some respects, it's a question of where one "begins" their political career. It would seem to me, there are a couple of viable ways one might do that -- one, the obvious one, is to start from elective office which serves a small number of people. A good example would be our congressman Harry Mitchell -- he started out teaching government, then was elected to the city council (and still taught) then became mayor, etc., and now is a US congressman. That's the route with which I think most of us are most familiar. But is it the only acceptable route? See ... again, it's the whole "experience" thing, I suppose. But is "viable" experience only the experience gained from holding public office? I've run a couple of political campaigns -- it wasn't my mug up there on the podium, but I was at the same briefings, and knew the platform just as well as the candidate -- perhaps, in some areas, even better, since I was involved in sort of ... sometimes filtering information to them.
I guess the big charge against Caroline Kennedy's being appointed to that office is that she's not been elected to office before. Honestly? I don't think the woman needs to start as mayor of Wasalla, Alaska, or even on the Tempe City Council. By that, I mean that her life experience -- her involvement in politics her entire life has, IMO, already provided her with the experience she might gain were she to hold those positions. In other words, in her case, I think I'd allow for her to "test out" of those "courses." Yeah, I know that leaves me wide open to attack, but it's true -- it's what I believe.
As for her answering the question about ever having "been to" upstate NY, it wasn't (IMO) a benign question -- it was insulting, and I don't think it deserved an answer. She was raised in New York City -- her mother's funeral was in New York. She met her husband when she was working in New York -- her kids were born in New York -- hell, she was born in New York. To try to pin "carpetbagger" on her seems unfair to me. JMO.
I think a special election is in order. This appointing and default representation countrywide is ridiculous. NY's current Gov is in office by virtue (sic) of Spitzers participation in interstate prostitution. Our President Elect served his brief tenure in the US Senate having "won" the Illinois seat by running against NOBODY, (what, they don't have uncontested elections in Florida? We have a ton of 'em here, every election cycle.)after having lost to the GOP in a prior run for the Illinois US House seat. You know who the most "unqualified" president ever was? A guy who ran for the US senate and lost ... twice. He did serve a few terms in the state legislature, though, and one term in the US House, but he was never a governor, or a senator, or much of anything else. He wasn't even a very good lawyer. That other guy from Illinois -- Abraham Lincoln. And I don't know that the person whose soon vacant seat they're considering filling had any experience serving as an elected official either, and Hillary won her re-election by more than her first term. The current Gov of Illinois is laughing his a** off at the entire system that recently made it MORE difficult to impeach a Governor in that state. The Attorney General is the daughter of the Speaker of their House and it APPEARS to me that IOU's are flying out the window as fast as they can so the holidays might shroud their significance. There are far too many appointments and entitlement concerns for my taste. I feel very strongly that the people of NY and Illinois should be governing themselves and electing , by will of the people, their own representatives. But this is the way their law -- their law ... the people of that state ... is written! The people have "had their say." I didn't mean any disrespect for Caroline Kennedy, or really any Kennedy woman. They have served social services, the arts and publishing with earnest, noble and humble demeanor. And I really didn't mean to liken her to a carpetbagger, to me that's Obama. Her? More of a pandering philanthropist. To whom has she pandered? For what? And I'm not convinced at all that this "career" change is of her own doing.
Yanno, she grew up in the public eye -- way moreso than any average "celeb's" kid. Much as her mother tried to shield her from it, when it came right down to it, I think America thought they somehow "owned" a piece of her and JFK jr. Maybe just people around my age, and older, but I do believe that was there, and has been her whole life. She's the mother of three kids -- two are now in college, and one is in high school. If I had to guess, it would be that maybe she wanted to shield them from what she went through growing up, at least until they were older, which they now are. So no, maybe she wasn't in the spotlight as much as we're accustomed to having our politicians, but that doesn't mean she wasn't working in politics. I don't know -- I don't know if she's the "best" candidate for the job or not. I do know one thing, though -- if she were appointed or elected to that seat, she'd serve with intelligence and integrity. You wouldn't find her tap dancing in any bathroom stalls, or doing anything untoward. And who on earth would try to bribe her? :)
BoxDog wrote:The republicans are, however, notably so, making comments on the obvious fact that Caroline Kennedys potential APPOINTMENT to the US Senate will be a blatant, albeit, no tangible cash payback for her support of Obama. Her future cash affect to the re-election of Patterson, if possible, and the cash potential to her own "REAL" running in the future is very real. I think it's fascinating that this woman refused to even answer the benign question of "have you ever been to northern New York". That's a real question and was really refused an answer. WTF. That's all, as Patty Blago*** would say, eff you Kennedy, it's a namesake entitlement, go back to selling memoirs and doing whatever you've been doing for the past twenty five years.
Well, one thing she was doing was working for education in New York... at a "job" ... three days a week. She's also a member of the bar in New York (and D.C. too.) I think it's safe to say this woman has been "involved" in politics her whole life, although she's not held office. I wonder what qualifications we look for in a US Senator (just as I did with president.) Bobby Kennedy once held that same seat -- and also had never before been "elected" to office, as far as I know. Yeah, he'd been Attorney General, but wasn't "elected" to that position.
I think in some respects, it's a question of where one "begins" their political career. It would seem to me, there are a couple of viable ways one might do that -- one, the obvious one, is to start from elective office which serves a small number of people. A good example would be our congressman Harry Mitchell -- he started out teaching government, then was elected to the city council (and still taught) then became mayor, etc., and now is a US congressman. That's the route with which I think most of us are most familiar. But is it the only acceptable route? See ... again, it's the whole "experience" thing, I suppose. But is "viable" experience only the experience gained from holding public office? I've run a couple of political campaigns -- it wasn't my mug up there on the podium, but I was at the same briefings, and knew the platform just as well as the candidate -- perhaps, in some areas, even better, since I was involved in sort of ... sometimes filtering information to them.
I guess the big charge against Caroline Kennedy's being appointed to that office is that she's not been elected to office before. Honestly? I don't think the woman needs to start as mayor of Wasalla, Alaska, or even on the Tempe City Council. By that, I mean that her life experience -- her involvement in politics her entire life has, IMO, already provided her with the experience she might gain were she to hold those positions. In other words, in her case, I think I'd allow for her to "test out" of those "courses." Yeah, I know that leaves me wide open to attack, but it's true -- it's what I believe.
As for her answering the question about ever having "been to" upstate NY, it wasn't (IMO) a benign question -- it was insulting, and I don't think it deserved an answer. She was raised in New York City -- her mother's funeral was in New York. She met her husband when she was working in New York -- her kids were born in New York -- hell, she was born in New York. To try to pin "carpetbagger" on her seems unfair to me. JMO.
I think a special election is in order. This appointing and default representation countrywide is ridiculous. NY's current Gov is in office by virtue (sic) of Spitzers participation in interstate prostitution. Our President Elect served his brief tenure in the US Senate having "won" the Illinois seat by running against NOBODY, after having lost to the GOP in a prior run for the Illinois US House seat. The current Gov of Illinois is laughing his a** off at the entire system that recently made it MORE difficult to impeach a Governor in that state. The Attorney General is the daughter of the Speaker of their House and it APPEARS to me that IOU's are flying out the window as fast as they can so the holidays might shroud their significance. There are far too many appointments and entitlement concerns for my taste. I feel very strongly that the people of NY and Illinois should be governing themselves and electing , by will of the people, their own representatives. I didn't mean any disrespect for Caroline Kennedy, or really any Kennedy woman. They have served social services, the arts and publishing with earnest, noble and humble demeanor. And I really didn't mean to liken her to a carpetbagger, to me that's Obama. Her? More of a pandering philanthropist. And I'm not convinced at all that this "career" change is of her own doing.
BoxDog wrote:The republicans are, however, notably so, making comments on the obvious fact that Caroline Kennedys potential APPOINTMENT to the US Senate will be a blatant, albeit, no tangible cash payback for her support of Obama. Her future cash affect to the re-election of Patterson, if possible, and the cash potential to her own "REAL" running in the future is very real. I think it's fascinating that this woman refused to even answer the benign question of "have you ever been to northern New York". That's a real question and was really refused an answer. WTF. That's all, as Patty Blago*** would say, eff you Kennedy, it's a namesake entitlement, go back to selling memoirs and doing whatever you've been doing for the past twenty five years.
Well, one thing she was doing was working for education in New York... at a "job" ... three days a week. She's also a member of the bar in New York (and D.C. too.) I think it's safe to say this woman has been "involved" in politics her whole life, although she's not held office. I wonder what qualifications we look for in a US Senator (just as I did with president.) Bobby Kennedy once held that same seat -- and also had never before been "elected" to office, as far as I know. Yeah, he'd been Attorney General, but wasn't "elected" to that position.
I think in some respects, it's a question of where one "begins" their political career. It would seem to me, there are a couple of viable ways one might do that -- one, the obvious one, is to start from elective office which serves a small number of people. A good example would be our congressman Harry Mitchell -- he started out teaching government, then was elected to the city council (and still taught) then became mayor, etc., and now is a US congressman. That's the route with which I think most of us are most familiar. But is it the only acceptable route? See ... again, it's the whole "experience" thing, I suppose. But is "viable" experience only the experience gained from holding public office? I've run a couple of political campaigns -- it wasn't my mug up there on the podium, but I was at the same briefings, and knew the platform just as well as the candidate -- perhaps, in some areas, even better, since I was involved in sort of ... sometimes filtering information to them.
I guess the big charge against Caroline Kennedy's being appointed to that office is that she's not been elected to office before. Honestly? I don't think the woman needs to start as mayor of Wasalla, Alaska, or even on the Tempe City Council. By that, I mean that her life experience -- her involvement in politics her entire life has, IMO, already provided her with the experience she might gain were she to hold those positions. In other words, in her case, I think I'd allow for her to "test out" of those "courses." Yeah, I know that leaves me wide open to attack, but it's true -- it's what I believe.
As for her answering the question about ever having "been to" upstate NY, it wasn't (IMO) a benign question -- it was insulting, and I don't think it deserved an answer. She was raised in New York City -- her mother's funeral was in New York. She met her husband when she was working in New York -- her kids were born in New York -- hell, she was born in New York. To try to pin "carpetbagger" on her seems unfair to me. JMO.
I would bet politicians in JJJ's position are approached often with unseemly proposals. The scandal would have been if he had coughed up the money. And if it had come to light that Bagdownaditch had made this offer to JJJ and he'd never reported it, you'd have been lumping him in with all the corrupt politicians anyway, right? I mean ... which decision would you have approved? What would you have liked to have seen him do? How could he have escaped your disdain, other than with a name and venue change? Seriously.
Next up....Rahm Emmanuel. Lisa Madigans been shot down (figuratively) Illinois Supreme Court is NOT budging, Blag is da bomb. It is starting to look like Attorney Gen Madigan and her DAD, Illinois Speaker of the House are deeper into favors and manipulating than jjj or Blago and his eff you wife. Snitches get stitches. Rahms up next, 21 taped conversations with Blago HIMSELF regarding the filling of that open Senate seat....uh-oh. Seriously, BO cant give up that Blackberry, it's not just a phone its a 485 million dollars worth of his "IOU's".
whats interesting to me is that there hasnt been more of a push against any one of these individuals by the republican party. this is a pandoras box. what gets opened against one pol may just as easily open against another. as bad as chicagos rep is, its unlikely that it begins or ends there. id bet there are people like this in every state. and prolly every elected official has either been a party to a conversation like this or benefitted from some behind the scenes crud. if blago hadnt been so off the wall and delusional we prolly wouldnt be hearing about any of this. that said, i really do hope that there is no involvement at the higher up levels. we have so many concerns as a nation right now. id hate to see us get sidetracked into a massive witchhunt.
There is a possibility that even Illinois is too dirty for the RNC to sort through or delve into. More of a let them eat each other alive approach may be happening. The republicans are, however, notably so, making comments on the obvious fact that Caroline Kennedys potential APPOINTMENT to the US Senate will be a blatant, albeit, no tangible cash payback for her support of Obama. Her future cash affect to the re-election of Patterson, if possible, and the cash potential to her own "REAL" running in the future is very real. I think it's fascinating that this woman refused to even answer the benign question of "have you ever been to northern New York". That's a real question and was really refused an answer. WTF. That's all, as Patty Blago*** would say, eff you Kennedy, it's a namesake entitlement, go back to selling memoirs and doing whatever you've been doing for the past twenty five years.
I would bet politicians in JJJ's position are approached often with unseemly proposals. The scandal would have been if he had coughed up the money. And if it had come to light that Bagdownaditch had made this offer to JJJ and he'd never reported it, you'd have been lumping him in with all the corrupt politicians anyway, right? I mean ... which decision would you have approved? What would you have liked to have seen him do? How could he have escaped your disdain, other than with a name and venue change? Seriously.
Next up....Rahm Emmanuel. Lisa Madigans been shot down (figuratively) Illinois Supreme Court is NOT budging, Blag is da bomb. It is starting to look like Attorney Gen Madigan and her DAD, Illinois Speaker of the House are deeper into favors and manipulating than jjj or Blago and his eff you wife. Snitches get stitches. Rahms up next, 21 taped conversations with Blago HIMSELF regarding the filling of that open Senate seat....uh-oh. Seriously, BO cant give up that Blackberry, it's not just a phone its a 485 million dollars worth of his "IOU's".
whats interesting to me is that there hasnt been more of a push against any one of these individuals by the republican party. this is a pandoras box. what gets opened against one pol may just as easily open against another. as bad as chicagos rep is, its unlikely that it begins or ends there. id bet there are people like this in every state. and prolly every elected official has either been a party to a conversation like this or benefitted from some behind the scenes crud. if blago hadnt been so off the wall and delusional we prolly wouldnt be hearing about any of this. that said, i really do hope that there is no involvement at the higher up levels. we have so many concerns as a nation right now. id hate to see us get sidetracked into a massive witchhunt.
It TOOK him YEARS to do so. Another Chicago poc, imo. Breaking news. JJ Jr is not only a patsy, but a snitch.
I knew there was a reason this pic was so important, it's just so very "fluid". lmao.
-- Edited by BoxDog at 20:51, 2008-12-16
Aw, c'mon. The phrase "can't win for losin'" comes to mind. The article makes it pretty darn clear he's not a "snitch" (and basically says exactly that,) he didn't succumb to the temptation when presented him, and really, the infraction seems to be the gov wanted $ and hinted at it to get JJJ's wife elected to a position, and afterwards said to "JJJ" "See what $25,000 would have gotten you?" So yeah, he didn't immediately run to the officials upon hearing that, and put it out of his head until he was reminded of it during you-know-who's favorite "bring down Obama"' go-to Chicago guy's trial, when essentially the same phrase came out in a different context with a different person.
I would bet politicians in JJJ's position are approached often with unseemly proposals. The scandal would have been if he had coughed up the money. And if it had come to light that Bagdownaditch had made this offer to JJJ and he'd never reported it, you'd have been lumping him in with all the corrupt politicians anyway, right? I mean ... which decision would you have approved? What would you have liked to have seen him do? How could he have escaped your disdain, other than with a name and venue change? Seriously.
Next up....Rahm Emmanuel. Lisa Madigans been shot down (figuratively) Illinois Supreme Court is NOT budging, Blag is da bomb. It is starting to look like Attorney Gen Madigan and her DAD, Illinois Speaker of the House are deeper into favors and manipulating than jjj or Blago and his eff you wife. Snitches get stitches. Rahms up next, 21 taped conversations with Blago HIMSELF regarding the filling of that open Senate seat....uh-oh. Seriously, BO cant give up that Blackberry, it's not just a phone its a 485 million dollars worth of his "IOU's".
It TOOK him YEARS to do so. Another Chicago poc, imo. Breaking news. JJ Jr is not only a patsy, but a snitch.
I knew there was a reason this pic was so important, it's just so very "fluid". lmao.
-- Edited by BoxDog at 20:51, 2008-12-16
Aw, c'mon. The phrase "can't win for losin'" comes to mind. The article makes it pretty darn clear he's not a "snitch" (and basically says exactly that,) he didn't succumb to the temptation when presented him, and really, the infraction seems to be the gov wanted $ and hinted at it to get JJJ's wife elected to a position, and afterwards said to "JJJ" "See what $25,000 would have gotten you?" So yeah, he didn't immediately run to the officials upon hearing that, and put it out of his head until he was reminded of it during you-know-who's favorite "bring down Obama"' go-to Chicago guy's trial, when essentially the same phrase came out in a different context with a different person.
I would bet politicians in JJJ's position are approached often with unseemly proposals. The scandal would have been if he had coughed up the money. And if it had come to light that Bagdownaditch had made this offer to JJJ and he'd never reported it, you'd have been lumping him in with all the corrupt politicians anyway, right? I mean ... which decision would you have approved? What would you have liked to have seen him do? How could he have escaped your disdain, other than with a name and venue change? Seriously.
Seriously. 
