Where Everybody Knows You're Numb

My Turn wrote:

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BoxDog wrote:

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I'm more fourth and coffee pot park. Parallel streets or not, that's all I'll say. :)  

One thing they have talked about is developing it as a major 55+ community. Either way, when the leases expire the corner will look something like the cheap gas station across from Bay Pines. Empty, abandonded, boarded up, and for no clear reason.

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well, if you mean the snell isle area...wow. i was just down there there the other day....what an extremely beautiful area!!!

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My Turn wrote:

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BoxDog wrote:

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Seminole and Park is rough territory, for a job. Once Seminole Malls torn down it'll all be condo, with nobody that can afford them. There's no renewable leasing in Seminole Mall, as they come up, they're turned down. Shame, It's got the best Bealls around, unfortunately the pizza guy has had the same slice in his display for a year or more. :( Publix is even crossing the street. To the Albertsons that's been bought out. Which means all of those folks in the condos and homes on the east of sem blvd. or 113th, whichever it is just north of Park and Duhme, that moved behind Seminole Mall with a specific consideration of walking from their compound to the "do it all type mall" have now got to face shuffling across six lanes of Seminole Blvd for food or taking a cab a thousand feet? That corner is a future disaster for the elderly, very young, physically challenged and me on a bad hip day. 

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well, well, well...howdy neighbor! i didnt know you lived in my neck of the woods! i am about 3/4 mile from seminole mall.....i havent heard that the mall is going to be torn down....altho, i do know there have been rumors to that effect for many many years.  lots of places closing down all around.  coupla weeks back, my friend kris and i went to take our kids to roadhouse for dinner...arrived and was surprised to find they had closed....bummer...was a nice place...at least we were able to just go across the parking lot to hit beef o'bradys that night. was also there this past thursday night to watch the baseball game and they were quite busy both nights...hopefully they wont close.   really tho, those living on the east side of seminole blvd still have to cross six lanes of traffic to get to the mall.....as far as publix, well that would entail another six lanes of traffic to cross 113th street after the move, but...i LOVE that they are going to move to the old albertsons location...much better in and out access and the parking lot is lots bigger...the older people that shop at publix, especially the ones that live at the assisted living center right by there, freedom square, wont be much affected as they have the shuttle bus.  that place is really nice....my son just started working there about two months ago after working at winn dixie for two years...started looking for a new job cause he and his gf were both working at the same store and they were on opposite shifts...so he wanted something that would make it easier for them to spend time together....(awwww, so sweet...of course, she basically lives here now, so dont really see how there was much of a problem...lol).  kinda funny i never pictured him working in a nursing home, but, with the current economy, he was having a hard time finding another job (thank gawd he had enough sense to keep his winn dixie job while looking for the new one...he wanted to quit and just assumed he would have no problems landing another one cause when he first started working at 14, he got the first job he ever applied for...sigh..it is so nice when they get older, lol, yeah the grand old age of 16 1/2 and start listening to mama..lol) and this place was one of the very very few hiring....and he actually loves it!  keeps me very entertained with the stories he tells from his daily adventures there....course then he posts them as bulletins on myspace and some of them have me rolling with laughter....

anyway, back to seminole mall....i am surprised the mall has remained open as long as it has....except for publix, cvs and the dollar tree, not really much going on there, most of the stores in there are dead..very very little traffic/customers....has it been in the paper lately that they are going to tear it down again?  i know when the exxon was torn down, there were plans to put yet another bank on that intersection....like we need another with about 6 banks on and very close to that corner!, yet that didnt happen either....be interesting to see if they do put condos there...who would want to live at such a busy intersection??? especially if they are highly priced...

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Well, not quite neighbors, but I have sisters and parents all around you. Anyway, geographically, I'm more fourth and coffee pot park. Parallel streets or not, that's all I'll say. :)  Seminole Mall struggled for years but they recently resolved to letting it phase out. I'm not sure that the property is officially on the market but the leases are expiring like dominos. As for that little mall, it was the kind I'll miss. Like Gateway, though renewed and revamped it will never be the Gateway of old. Your mall? I scored plenty of great deals on NB's and KSwiss. Not many places left that have complimentary gift wrapping, though you do have to struggle through alot of small talk to get the goods. Now, I'm not suggesting that I had my own sneakers gift wrapped and tagged, but you never know.

One thing they have talked about is developing it as a major 55+ community. Either way, when the leases expire the corner will look something like the cheap gas station across from Bay Pines. Empty, abandonded, boarded up, and for no clear reason.

MyCat8it wrote:

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BoxDog wrote:

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Beef O Bradys? It's just another burger wing joint going down the chain drain. But it's also the loss of another thirty or so jobs. And the effect that the closing will have on their families and community. Seems the party had it ALL wrong when they stuck Dean where they did for his "fundraising" ability. That job should have gone to Obama a long time ago.  

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Oh no!  My nephew and his girlfriend both work at Beefs.  The one at Seminole and Park.  I know the Beef O'Brady's in Palm Harbor closed a few years back.  I didn't realize they were closing more locations.  Was there another location on 4th that closed?

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Yep, Northeast Shopping Center. Put's an awful lot of pressure and competition on Harveys for a booth and some wings. More importantly, another in a chain down the drain. Seminole and Park is rough territory, for a job. Once Seminole Malls torn down it'll all be condo, with nobody that can afford them. There's no renewable leasing in Seminole Mall, as they come up, they're turned down. Shame, It's got the best Bealls around, unfortunately the pizza guy has had the same slice in his display for a year or more. :( Publix is even crossing the street. To the Albertsons that's been bought out. Which means all of those folks in the condos and homes on the east of sem blvd. or 113th, whichever it is just north of Park and Duhme, that moved behind Seminole Mall with a specific consideration of walking from their compound to the "do it all type mall" have now got to face shuffling across six lanes of Seminole Blvd for food or taking a cab a thousand feet? That corner is a future disaster for the elderly, very young, physically challenged and me on a bad hip day. 

BoxDog wrote:

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I wasn't implying, at all, that BO is a terrorist, affiliated with terrorists or actively seeking support from them. But, I won't hesitate for a second to suggest the terrorists would prefer him in office and that he would not give a rats patootey where the damned money comes from as long as it pours in.

apparently biden agrees:) he said something today about how obama would be tested in his first 6 months by an unnamed threat.
my thinking is sort of the other way, at least when it comes to threats from afar. not that they wouldnt try. i think they would to provoke a reaction and spending. i think mccain would be the preferred choice for foriegn terrorists simply because he has stated that iran is on the table and he will continue the war in iraq. bin laden et al want that to happen. the goal is to bankrupt us and defeat us like we did to the soviets at the end of the cold war. if we stop spending all of that money for this war and instead spend it on protecting our cities and if we concentrate on alternate domestic forms of energy that we can share with other countries we would end up bankrupting them rather than the other way around.

the money issue is a confusing one i guess. i remember obama saying that he would accept public funding in the general election and he reneged on that in part i guess because of the pacs and 527s or whatever they are called who raise money and do these proxy wars. mccain says hes sticking to the public funding which is 84 million for sept and oct but if you look at where those emails and negative ads are coming from its not out of that fund.
what i find appalling is the amount of money wasted on spewing all of this negative crap. none of it is solving any problems yanno? i would bet that at least 2 billion has been spent by all of the candidates in this election. imagine what else we might have done with 2 billion dollars? sigh

Beef O Bradys? It's just another burger wing joint going down the chain drain. But it's also the loss of another thirty or so jobs. And the effect that the closing will have on their families and community. Seems the party had it ALL wrong when they stuck Dean where they did for his "fundraising" ability. That job should have gone to Obama a long time ago.

has there been a lot of job loss in your area? ive seen some big box stores fold up here and what ive really noticed is stock depletion in these same stores. there isnt the variety of things there once was.

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Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

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The M/P campaign sure was quick to use him as the subject of some TV ads... I suppose it could be coincidence that Charles Keatings son-in-law is Joe's father, but the Keating-McCain connection (probably because it's a local one) is very strong for me.

is he really? wow, i didnt know that. thats pretty reckless of the mccain folks. opening that up opens up the whole keating mess again and brings it into focus right before the election. incredible.  i didnt hear the whole of his question when asked the news shows focused on obamas answer and in his little aside to joe about sharing the wealth. did you see the original question? did it seem like a planted question?

on another note i see todays aol headline suggests that obama has some connection with some mysterious figure who used to be his "bodyman" ive not heard that term before but apparently a bodyman is sort of combo of gopher and security person. i figger theres gonna be the fabled october surprise any moment now. i wonder if this is what they plan on it being?

 

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Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

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you are right...he is not a licensed plumber (as is required by toledo), nor did he complete his apprenticeship, however he does work as a plumber....one who also owes back taxes.....but hey, he got a free trip to new york for himself, his dad and his kid, right?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/us/politics/17joe.html

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He owes more than that... he used to live here in the Valley (big surprise) and still has over $700 in unpaid traffic tickets and a suspended driver's license. :)

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ya gotta feel for the guy tho. he voiced his concerns to a candidate and now hes a public figure getting his life examined. wotta world!

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Question is, was he just Joe Average Citizen, or a plant?

 

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Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

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 ya gotta feel for the guy tho. he voiced his concerns to a candidate and now hes a public figure getting his life examined. wotta world!

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Question is, was he just Joe Average Citizen, or a plant?

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I asked that very question today. Though, it was regarding the candidate, Barack Obama. I saw the 150 million dollars posted for September campaign contributions. With the limit on max contributions as they are who's to say a terrorist cell is not behind this or past contributions. Nobody can say where untraceable contributions have come from, nobody. Nameless, faceless, shrouded contributions. I mean no disrespect to "this one". Really. But, who's the plant?  With the economy as eroded and spiraling as it is just how realistic is it that 150,000,000 dollars has been pledged up by the little guy, IN ONE MONTH, to make sure "this one" gets his ads and message(sic) out there? I mean, it may sound like a conspiracy theory, but what's so ridiculous about that, anymore?

Earlier I went to get some take-out wings for the game. The restaurant was closed down. It was a Beef O'Bradys for crissakes. I see another 30 or so folks without jobs, not another 30 or so campaign contributions.

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My Turn wrote:

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Psych Lit wrote:

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lol ive also heard that hes not really a plumber and his income is 40K not 250k
its shameless to see these people dragged out like this. whats next the widows and orphans?

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you are right...he is not a licensed plumber (as is required by toledo), nor did he complete his apprenticeship, however he does work as a plumber....one who also owes back taxes.....but hey, he got a free trip to new york for himself, his dad and his kid, right?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/us/politics/17joe.html

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He owes more than that... he used to live here in the Valley (big surprise) and still has over $700 in unpaid traffic tickets and a suspended driver's license. :)

 

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 ya gotta feel for the guy tho. he voiced his concerns to a candidate and now hes a public figure getting his life examined. wotta world!

Psych Lit wrote:

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lol  ive also heard that hes not really a plumber and his income is 40K not 250k
its shameless to see these people dragged out like this. whats next the widows and orphans?

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Psych Lit wrote:

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one of the things that was supposedly written into this buyout was protections against this crap but somehow its going to be same old same old i suspect.
mccain is trying to pass health care reform off in a similar manner. i think about how the competition for cards located most of the credit card companies in states with the least regulation which is why some people now pay nearly 30 % interest on credit cards/ that used to be against the law but in the glorious
deregulation proposed by the republicans this became a state issue and its part of the reason we are in the mess we are in now. imagine what that will do to health care? i cant even think about it, its so scary. this is open enrolement month for my work ins. my rates are going up 110 a month for health ins and i have to change companies to get that. which means a change of doctors prolly too. once ins cos start to locate in places where there is little regulation well see the same kinds of abuses that the credit card companies came up with.
The whole McCain - Bill Ayers thing is tapping into this nicely, hey? When all else fails, make the people AFRAID of the opposition -- no matter how low you have to reach.

yeah but it seems to not be working for him. i dont know if people are so focused on today and the near future that they dont care about a reformed terrorist who is now quite middle class.  then too his audience is primarily young people and baby boomers neither group gets too excited about an old radical. its the generation above where this might work and there seem to be too few of them to make a difference and i think that they can see between the lines here too and see that mccain is reaching.

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Yup, and that's probably, finally, why John McCain is going to lose this election, despite the monumental bumbling the democratic party has exhibited the last year. It's come full circle, now, and is once again the issue of a democrat running against a republican. The economic woes with which we're now faced have finally "trickled down" from the Reagan de-regulation era, and the price to be paid by Joe The Carpenter is crippling. (Joe the Carpenter, as opposed to Joe the Plumber, AKA Joe Wurzelbacher whose dad, --as nearly as I can tell,-- Robert Wurzelbacher, [link: Robert Wurzelbacher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia] is Charles Keating's son-in-law, and was indicted along with the rest of those crooks.)

I've heard Joe the Plumber (who oddly anticipated his proposed business netting him EXACTLY $250K a year, Obama's precise cut-off, which would indicate he would have assets around $1Million) isn't voting for McCain, but that's not been substantiated. 

Again, it's a matter of McCain not properly vetting someone -- first, Sarah Palin, and now Joe the Plumber. It reveals, IMO, an unseemingly loose handle on something as basic as doing the research, and getting it "right" rather than trying to augment the ridiculous "maverick" image, and shooting from the hip first, and asking questions later -- not, IMO, a selling point for a potential world leader. Think: weapons of mass destruction positively in Iraq. This time, the "mass destruction" may have well come home to roost.  

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Psych Lit wrote:

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Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

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im already amazed at how the implied right to privacy has been invaded.
 

Yup. The events of 9-11 opened this door, and made the Patriots Act, and all which came after "acceptable" -- ruling by fear ... what's a little ole civil right when there's a terrorist pounding on your front door?

The whole McCain - Bill Ayers thing is tapping into this nicely, hey? When all else fails, make the people AFRAID of the opposition -- no matter how low you have to reach.

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Psych Lit wrote:

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Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

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We have, in my state, a renegade Sheriff who has been doing racial profile generated "round ups" here for at least a year now.

He, and his deputies go to specific targeted areas, and simply stop any brown skinned person they wish, and demand they show proof of citizenship.

If the person questioned can't show proof if citizenship, then they're detained, until such time as they can. This is going on right now in America, in my neighborhood.

One city here in the Greater Phoenix metropolitan area doesn't have law enforcement right now, because her population is predominantly hispanic, and they'd rather have no law enforcement at all than that of Sheriff Joe. This is right now.

this made *my* local news tonight. apparently he went and raided places in the middle of the night? cleaning crews?  honestly i dont think i could survive in arizona. between this kind of thing and the arial traffic tickets, curb alerts and parking gods id be in prison for life. 

If we don't have hispanic attorneys to defend these unlawfully detained American citizens, who may, or may not be English fluent, and so, reluctant to employ an Anglo, English speaking only attorney, their rights will be significantly restricted, on the basis of race.

i remember driving across the border in california once and on us soil being asked to show proof of identity and have my trunk searched. id just shown my id to enter the country and i was taken aback at being asked for my "papers" in san diego.

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The high court has already taken some surprising stances on this issue in the last year ... in April, they affirmed the "right" of an illegal search of a vehicle superceding the state law which said the driver legally could only be ticketed (he was stopped for a minor traffic violation) and released. (Virginia v. Moore).

The Roberts court seems to be ruling with an increasingly narrowed eye, and even the "liberal" justices seem to be overturning privacy rights with ease.

It's just frightening to think what would come to pass with a McCain court.... oy.

Psych Lit wrote:

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Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

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Grounds for divorce IMO:

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"How do you show support for your presidential candidate? Signs in your yard? Bumper stickers on your car? Maybe you just show up and vote on the first Tuesday in November? Whatever you do, I'll bet it doesn't compare to what this dad in Elizabethton, Tennessee did: he named his newborn daughter Sarah McCain Palin. Without his wife's knowledge. That's hardcore.

Mark Ciptak and his wife had settled on the perfectly lovely name of Ava Grace for their third child. But Ciptak decided that he needed to "to get the word out" about the Republican ticket for president and vice president and secretly filled in the birth certificate with a combination of John McCain's and Sarah Palin's names."

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Now, that's just sick. Really.

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yeah the poor kid. imagine that legacy!

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I know in a lot of respects I'm preaching to the choir here, but again, I'll mention what I consider to be perhaps the most important issue at stake in this campaign: the balance of the Supreme Court.

Again: right now, there are (speaking in broad terms) four conservative judges, four liberal judges, and one in between, who typically leans to the right. It is almost certain at least two of the liberal judges will be retiring in the next four years (one of them, presently the only woman on the high court.)

If these two liberal-leaning justices were to be replaced with McCain appointees, we would have the most conservative court we've seen since before the Warren Court. "Roe" will be overturned. Period. "Miranda" will have the last life squeezed out of it. One may stick their heads in the sand and say "it won't happen" all they wish, but that won't change the truth of the situation. It will happen.

There are test cases poised right now to challenge existing laws which will be reviewed by the high court after the election, dealing with search and seizure laws, and could potentially change significantly long standing assumptions of what it means to be an American citizen.

The impact of these appointments simply cannot be overstated. Look, for instance, at affirmative action -- it too will fall, with a conservative bench, and when it does, so will the number of people of color allowed, for instance, admission into law schools, who will then oneday may become judges (every member of the Supreme Court right now was a Federal Appellate Court judge prior to their appointment.)

Does that matter? Hell yes, it does! How can we honestly assert we have a "fair" judicial system if 98% of the attorneys and judges in this country are as lily white as am I?

We're fast approaching a time when close to half our national population will be Hispanic -- doesn't that population deserve, that the very least, representation in our court system?

I'm a liberal, and yeah, I'm keenly attuned to civil rights issues, but even so, I'm not a person of hispanic descent, and never will be. We're not talking (yet) about actual appointments to the Supreme Court, just the chance to get into law school, and maybe become an attorney one day. 

Sure, it would be really nice to believe that right now, everyone has an equal opportunity for that, regardless of race and gender -- that it's pure enough to only look at grades, and go on that basis, when considering admission, but that's just not yet the case.

This issue comes down to basic human fairness.

We have, in my state, a renegade Sheriff who has been doing racial profile generated "round ups" here for at least a year now.

He, and his deputies go to specific targeted areas, and simply stop any brown skinned person they wish, and demand they show proof of citizenship.

If the person questioned can't show proof if citizenship, then they're detained, until such time as they can. This is going on right now in America, in my neighborhood.

One city here in the Greater Phoenix metropolitan area doesn't have law enforcement right now, because her population is predominantly hispanic, and they'd rather have no law enforcement at all than that of Sheriff Joe. This is right now.

If we don't have hispanic attorneys to defend these unlawfully detained American citizens, who may, or may not be English fluent, and so, reluctant to employ an Anglo, English speaking only attorney, their rights will be significantly restricted, on the basis of race.

"Well," you may say, "they should just take the Anglo attorney, and if they don't, too bad for them." Positions reversed: I, as an Anglo, need an attorney to defend me in a civil rights case -- am I going to want a hispanic attorney who will need a translator to understand what I'm telling them?

This is just one small example of what hangs in the balance in this election, in regard to the high court. Whether or not affirmative action now in place will survive or be struck down. Just one example of thousands of issues examined over the course of a lifetime appointment.

IMO, the issue of Supreme Court appointments supercedes the economy, the war in Iraq, and everything else. It holds the potential to significantly reshape the guts and heart of our country. Why, how, it's not gotten more attention, frankly astounds me.  

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

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Grounds for divorce IMO:

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"How do you show support for your presidential candidate? Signs in your yard? Bumper stickers on your car? Maybe you just show up and vote on the first Tuesday in November? Whatever you do, I'll bet it doesn't compare to what this dad in Elizabethton, Tennessee did: he named his newborn daughter Sarah McCain Palin. Without his wife's knowledge. That's hardcore.

Mark Ciptak and his wife had settled on the perfectly lovely name of Ava Grace for their third child. But Ciptak decided that he needed to "to get the word out" about the Republican ticket for president and vice president and secretly filled in the birth certificate with a combination of John McCain's and Sarah Palin's names."

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Now, that's just sick. Really.

 

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Psych Lit wrote:

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BoxDog wrote:

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Honestly, I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but really. Nearly thirty years have passed since she took her SAT's. I guess I kinda missed that point. Is there anyone alive that can say nothing has changed in thirty years?

i guess its circulating on the net. when people run for office all sorts of info becomes the voting publics right to know. i suppose if you were applying for a job the school records might be asked for but the rest of it is sort of unnecessary.  i was listening to cnn the other night and they were talking about medical backgrounds and the publics right to know. apparently both candidates have not released all of their records tho mccain has released far more than obama who submitted a drs note saying he was fit for office.  im of mixed mind about that. in a way that should be enough tho maybe id be happier if it were a panel of doctors but really i dont need or want to be privy to anyones medical records but i do want to know if they have anything that might get in the way of their carrying out their duties. the big issue with that link to palin would be the iq score which, if true, might be a cause for concern.

  Frankly? I see a phone call to the Iraqis, by a US Senator, behind the backs of the government and the general public, DURING an active war to be somewhat treasonous.

this is the first time ive heard this and i tried to find info on it but there isnt much except the claim made not even a response on fact check.  what was the context of this?


 Now the press has us doing what? Looking at Palins high school grades? lol. barack obama has enjoyed a free pass with the American press like I have never before "in my lifetime" seen.

it does seem that there is some outside force pushing obamas presidency thru and its kind of disconcerting to watch. i was angry as hell about this when it happened to clinton and its still going on but im telling you that much of the bad press mccains getting right now has to do with that very bad strategy of twisting things to really make obama look bad. its resulted in firing up the wackos and there are so many web sites now that debunk this kind of stuff that after the fact it makes mccain look desparate.  mccain needs to tell everybody who is advising him to stfu and sit and remember what his roots are and what he believes in. it would be way more effective for him, dontcha think?

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Well, that wouldn't be as good a strategy as doing it publicly as he did with the woman who said Obama was an Arab, and the guy who said he was "scared of" Obama. When he (McCain) handles them like that A.) It gets him media coverage, and B.) it is attractive to the independent's whose votes he's going after now, anyway. He already has the right wing in his pocket -- courting them won't give him any more votes. It's going to come down (now) to the independents and the undecideds, and it's really to his best interest to be seen rescuing a child from a burning building than it is quietly taking matches away from that child before s/he has a chance to use them.

It's politically "smart" to do it the way he's doing it.

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BoxDog wrote:

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Honestly, I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but really. Nearly thirty years have passed since she took her SAT's. I guess I kinda missed that point. Is there anyone alive that can say nothing has changed in thirty years?

i guess its circulating on the net. when people run for office all sorts of info becomes the voting publics right to know. i suppose if you were applying for a job the school records might be asked for but the rest of it is sort of unnecessary.  i was listening to cnn the other night and they were talking about medical backgrounds and the publics right to know. apparently both candidates have not released all of their records tho mccain has released far more than obama who submitted a drs note saying he was fit for office.  im of mixed mind about that. in a way that should be enough tho maybe id be happier if it were a panel of doctors but really i dont need or want to be privy to anyones medical records but i do want to know if they have anything that might get in the way of their carrying out their duties. the big issue with that link to palin would be the iq score which, if true, might be a cause for concern.

  Frankly? I see a phone call to the Iraqis, by a US Senator, behind the backs of the government and the general public, DURING an active war to be somewhat treasonous.

this is the first time ive heard this and i tried to find info on it but there isnt much except the claim made not even a response on fact check.  what was the context of this?


 Now the press has us doing what? Looking at Palins high school grades? lol. barack obama has enjoyed a free pass with the American press like I have never before "in my lifetime" seen.

it does seem that there is some outside force pushing obamas presidency thru and its kind of disconcerting to watch. i was angry as hell about this when it happened to clinton and its still going on but im telling you that much of the bad press mccains getting right now has to do with that very bad strategy of twisting things to really make obama look bad. its resulted in firing up the wackos and there are so many web sites now that debunk this kind of stuff that after the fact it makes mccain look desparate.  mccain needs to tell everybody who is advising him to stfu and sit and remember what his roots are and what he believes in. it would be way more effective for him, dontcha think?

 

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MyCat8it wrote:

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I received a pdf of this in my email this morning from a friend.  So, I Googled it to see if it was real.

Have any of you seen this thing?  Does she really have an IQ of 83?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6473754/Sarah-Palin-Stats

High school GPA of 2.2, clearly under 1000 on her SATs.  Here is one of the Media Clippings.  You can find this on page 14 of the 15 page report.


Frontiersman Editorial Slammed Palin For Not Tolerating Dissent.A Frontiersman editorial wrote, Wasilla is led by a woman who will tolerate no one

who questions her actions or her authority.

[Frontiersman editorial, 3/7/97]

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Okay, this is all I'm going to say; a new report has Lindsay Lohans at 138. I checked out the scribd.com, searched a couple of things there. I felt like singing out "right, left, right, left...." It's actually a great place for a good scare, no matter what ones individual affiliation, or lack of, may be. Honestly, I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but really. Nearly thirty years have passed since she took her SAT's. I guess I kinda missed that point. Is there anyone alive that can say nothing has changed in thirty years? Is someone impying she's stupid? That hasn't stopped the Americans from electing "stupid" before. Is it simply because she's a stupid woman? Or a scary one? Do we have THAT LITTLE faith in Congress, to again allow a team to walk into that office and At least she didn't call the Iraqi P.M. and beg that they make no political decisions until after the American elections. THE MOMENT OF HIS DEMOCRATIC CORONATION. This thing is a joke. Frankly? I see a phone call to the Iraqis, by a US Senator, behind the backs of the government and the general public, DURING an active war to be somewhat treasonous. Of course I refer to the call he placed to the Iraqi P.M. requesting that no decisions be made by the Iraqis relating to this "WAR", the American presence, withdrawal or long term decisions until AFTER the American elections, and the inauguration. It seems to be of little concern to the public that such naive arrogance coupled with potentially disastrous effects to the security of our troops on the ground. Seems it's no big deal. His people admitted it and now the press has moved on. As for me, I'm still a little stunned, but it should make for a good chapter in one of his future books. Now the press has us doing what? Looking at Palins high school grades? lol. barack obama has enjoyed a free pass with the American press like I have never before "in my lifetime" seen.

milo wrote:

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I know several people with questionable IQ's that are very successful in fact millionaires, what they had was not IQ points but dreams and desire and a willingness to work towards those dreams and desires.

On the other hand I know many people who are way up there in the IQ scale that are little more than a brain in a jar.

ive never been one to keep the success score in terms of money tho i know many do. to me its more about being able to do what you want to do today or next week or next month and what might stand in the way of that and success to me is overcoming whatever those obstacles are. sure you have to be willing to do something with whatever resources the goddess blessed you with and following your dreams is always a fabulous idea well almost always i guess for every door opened one closes, yanno? i have a dream to move to the greek islands and live simply. wake up to the sound of the surf and sun on my cheek, nothing but peace and quiet and maybe pick olives or something lol. why? because i saw some silly haley mills movie set in those islands when i was 10 and the idea has been stuck in my head since then.  maybe when all the kids are done with college and ive paid off their mountain of student debt ill get to do it or maybe not. lol
sometimes the purpose of a good fantasy like that is escape. i can close my eyes and say i dont have to be sitting here in this traffic jam i could be on corfu or something and, if only for a moment, im transported.  if i really did move to the greek islands id be far away from my friends and family, id basically be closing that door behind me since id rarely see them, especially as i got older, then there is the worry about health care that might be found on those islands and on and on.  i think in the end we all have the life we choose and whether we have squandered those gifts or used them wisely is entirely up to us.

MyCat8it wrote:

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The link I posted is an HTML page of the pdf I received earlier. The IQ test results were from her high school in 1982. At the time, 100 was the mean.

its asking me to download an adobe flash thingy which aint happenin on this puter. i was able to sort of see it on my hand held but i didnt see the source of the info only the line where her score was presented. ill be curious to see if this ends up being her test result. geesh youd think her school wouldnt make that info public, heck, never mind that, youd think her school would have destroyed those records by now how many years ago did she graduate?

And this is exactly what her report cards indicate. I wasn't able to paste the picture here.

i guess its possible but i dunno, ill be curious to see if this gets debunked in the next few days. if its true id give her a whole lot of credit for hard work. but id still hate her politics. lol i wonder if george bushs iq is posted out there?

I think the test was given in high school. I remember taking one myself, but was never allowed to know the score. My father had us all convinced that it was against the law to know your own IQ.

Don't ask.

 

lol when i was in grad school i tested all of my kids and all of my friends. they were my practice tests! i wouldnt tell them their iqs either. i did tell the kids that they were all around the same except one of them scored 1 point higher than the others. do you know that to this day they harrass me to find out who scored the extra point?

most parents wont tell because they dont want their kids to get big heads or to become discouraged. the tests have some predictive value but they are not the be all and end all. tho in the wrong hands they can be.  years ago there was an experiment done where kids who were low scorers on the test were placed in a class and the teacher was told they were gifted. at the end of the year the teachers evaluations were remarkable and their grades reflected their "giftedness."

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MyCat8it wrote:

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I received a pdf of this in my email this morning from a friend. So, I Googled it to see if it was real.

Have any of you seen this thing? Does she really have an IQ of 83?

i cant load a pdf file on this desktop and i havent yet had the time to go get my laptop wireless card changed so i cant see this. does it indicate which test she took? can you cut and paste any of it? i seriously doubt if her iq is 83 tho. language usage is the best predictor of overall iq and while she does occasionally disorganize in her language use i think that has more to do with nervousness than any issues with intelligence. i will add here that the disorganization of her language does make me pause for other reasons but thus far  id chalk it up to nerves. were i to guess at where she might fall id say 115 plus of minus 5. the average is 100.  83 would be considered borderline. but were i to guess..say bidens iq..id put that around 145 plus or minus 5.

while on the surface there doesnt seem to be that much of a difference between 115 and 145, they are both above "average," id note that there is nearly as great a distance between 115 and what would be considered retarded as there is between 115 and 145. someone with an iq of 115 would be able to graduate from a state college and perhaps a state masters program, theyd be fine in a middle management type job. they might be teachers or police officers your neighborhood bank teller or the mayor of wasilla! 

someone with an iq of 83 would struggle with a typical academic based high school program, they would struggle with higher level math classes or science classes, they would struggle to fit the pieces together when it came to analytical thinking but they would do well in jobs where more rote learning is required.  they might do fine in a factory setting or a word processing environment.  i cant think of any reason why her iq would have been tested.  usually this doesntget done unless there is some problem. however if someone were to get ahold of her achievement tests there is an iq component to those that might give a clue.

i wouldnt be alarmed at the other scores either.  most kids who end up in junior college or state college in this area have sat scores that are less than 1000 how much less might make a big difference tho if shes close to that mark. that would indicate to me that her iq is probably in that 110-120 range. and a 2.2 high school gpa for a flute playing beauty queen doesnt mean too much. a lot of women tank when they get to high school. especially in past years where being smart was not considered a good thing for a young woman to be.  as scary as she is as a political person, if any of those scores are real, shes come a long way with what she has.
 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6473754/Sarah-Palin-Stats

High school GPA of 2.2, clearly under 1000 on her SATs. Here is one of the Media Clippings. You can find this on page 14 of the 15 page report.


Frontiersman Editorial Slammed Palin For Not Tolerating Dissent.A Frontiersman editorial wrote, Wasilla is led by a woman who will tolerate no one

who questions her actions or her authority.

[Frontiersman editorial, 3/7/97]

 

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