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how many cars did you say you had??

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hee. maybe i can turn into the mad bumper sticker person who randomly attaches hillary 2012 stickers to cars in parking lots!

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wear kevlar and carry a BIg stick if you decide to violate cars with Texas or California tags we tend to get a tad crazy about our cars and unwanted bumper stickers.


Ahem, Florida. Don't count us out just yet;)
 

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how many cars did you say you had??

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hee. maybe i can turn into the mad bumper sticker person who randomly attaches hillary 2012 stickers to cars in parking lots!

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wear kevlar and carry a BIg stick if you decide to violate cars with Texas or California tags we tend to get a tad crazy about our cars and unwanted bumper stickers.

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As of today (Sunday) there's an 8 point spread -- Obama has gone up four points, and McCain has fallen four.

And it ain't even Thursday yet....

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i thought the lifeline thing was hilarious too. and oh so true! i wonder who is tutoring her for this big day?

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I don't know, but I do know she's been here in AZ, in what they've been calling "debate bootcamp."

Seriously.*


*I have an unhappy feeling that should Obama/Biden lose this election, I'll be adding this sentence to the end of a lot of my posts in the next four years.

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id think this was impossible but then again i thought george was impossible. maybe i should start saying mccain will win. that way the hex will be on the other. were i queen of the world dennis kucinich would be pres and failing that hillary but we are where we are so i am going to vote for obama. if he screws up my new bumper sticker hillary 2012 will not go to waste and if he doesnt then we are all ok anyway. if mccain wins ill be ordering one of those dont blame me i voted for obama stickers.

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How many cars did you say you had??

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From what I hear McCain actually won the debate, which is amazing, since he never seemed to answer any questions. < Cat

I dunno... seemed like a draw to me. Certainly no knockouts...

There's a thin line, to which I thought McCain came perilously close, between talking about your years of experience, and sounding like a dottering old man reminiscing.

i think a draw is accurate.

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As of today (Sunday) there's an 8 point spread -- Obama has gone up four points, and McCain has fallen four.

And it ain't even Thursday yet....

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i thought the lifeline thing was hilarious too. and oh so true! i wonder who is tutoring her for this big day?

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I don't know, but I do know she's been here in AZ, in what they've been calling "debate bootcamp."

Seriously.*


*I have an unhappy feeling that should Obama/Biden lose this election, I'll be adding this sentence to the end of a lot of my posts in the next four years.

LMAO go to snopes.com look up, Palin Rally

this was as good as SNL

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From what I hear McCain actually won the debate, which is amazing, since he never seemed to answer any questions. < Cat

I dunno... seemed like a draw to me. Certainly no knockouts...

There's a thin line, to which I thought McCain came perilously close, between talking about your years of experience, and sounding like a dottering old man reminiscing.

i think a draw is accurate.

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As of today (Sunday) there's an 8 point spread -- Obama has gone up four points, and McCain has fallen four.

And it ain't even Thursday yet....

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From what I hear McCain actually won the debate, which is amazing, since he never seemed to answer any questions. < Cat

I dunno... seemed like a draw to me. Certainly no knockouts...

There's a thin line, to which I thought McCain came perilously close, between talking about your years of experience, and sounding like a dottering old man reminiscing.

i think a draw is accurate. i think mccain scored some points when he repeatedly said what you fail to understand to obama. then he followed up with the i dont think you have the kind of experience that you need to do the job. obamas answers seemed better tho he seemed to stammer a lot. i am not sure what that was about but for someone who is such a gifted speaker it made him seem nervous and unsure and thats not a good message for the voters to get and i really didnt like the oh ive got a bracelet too thing and then didnt know who the bracelet was for without looking at it while mccain told a whole story about how he got his and why it was important to him.

As a little side note, I was reminded, too, while watching it, that in TV advertising ads for political campaigns are the only ones excluded from the regulations which require the ads be truthful. A person may say whatever they want, and the FCC will let it air. McCain repeatedly told half truths about Obama's history -- how many times did you hear Obama say "That's not so. That's not so." That seemed to be what the debate was from my POV: McCain starting in on something which mischaracterized Obama, which typically went on and on, meandering its way to some platitude you might find stamped on a dollar bill, Obama trying to interject a word to correct the assertion, but not forcefully enough to actually do it, and then sometimes, but not always having an opportunity to do so during his time.

yes and i think obama did a good job of refocusing that by the use of the world mischaracterize. its not an oft used word and i think it catches attention and people remember the exchange.

On NBC, for the post debate commentary, both vice presidential candidates were invited to speak. Joe Biden was there ... Sarah Palin sent her regrets, and Rudy G stood in for her. What candidate would miss an opportunity like that? Why, one who wouldn't know the first thing to say, and could easily embarrass themselves. Who knows? Maybe she wanted to, and the GOP said: "No WAY!"

biden did a good job.  he seemed far more articulate than did the candidates.

 

 Seems a bad move to me on their part, either way. A short TV spot would have at least given her a chance to get a feel for Biden that would seem to be something helpful as she prepares for the Thursday debate. Again, at least I was reminded of how enigmatic this national political candidate is. Maybe in 2012, we should just keep all the candidates secret. Have those who want to actually talk about issues, do so with paper grocery bags over their heads, with three holes poked in them for their eyes and mouth, or something.

I mean ... come on!!! What vice presidential candidate would NOT accept that offer????

but she was in new york shopping for shoes! come on...i girls gotta shop when she gets to the big city doesnt she?

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Had that been the case this election, come January we would have heard alot of congratulations, President Clinton. And there would be a prime US Senate seat from NY up for grabs.<---bd

lol the unknown comic for pres? and the bumper sticker? why a bag of course!

 

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"But I want to emphasize one point to all Americans tonight. This isn't the beginning of the end of this crisis. This is the end of the beginning, if we come out with a package that will keep these institutions stable." McCain

This, perhaps intended as a spur of the moment sound byte fell flat for me when I heard it. "the end of the beginning?"

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I know I am not well versed in polly-ticks BUT to have ended this at the beginning would have had to have been done back when ronnie baby de-regulated every derned thing he could.
I am for less government but even I know there has to be regulation in commerce. If not the little guy is screwed.
One of the major factors of me changing my party commitment was deregulation in the trucking industry. I was involved in the trucking industry back then, I saw first hand what was happening. Big companies swallowed up thousands of little indpendent drivers and their dreams. They hired unqualified drivers and put unrealistic demands on them.
Was I supposed to think deregulation in banking was going to be any better?
Mr McCain, this "crisis" started in the 1980's, the GOP didn't do anything to stop it then and I have my serious doubt it will now, the democrats are not innocent in this crap either.

I hear tell they are paying the new kid from WA-MU 22 mil, to leave????? WTF, is that for? The tax payers will absorb that crapola? Bail out? Ha! What we have here is rewarding a job poorly done. Seems like everyone is being paid like we pay weather people,,,,, wrong 90% of the time, and when they are right we already knew it was going to snow, hell the car just got covered by the snow plow.

"But I want to emphasize one point to all Americans tonight. This isn't the beginning of the end of this crisis. This is the end of the beginning, if we come out with a package that will keep these institutions stable." McCain

This, perhaps intended as a spur of the moment sound byte fell flat for me when I heard it. "the end of the beginning?"

With that in mind, the first lead question.

Gentlemen, at this very moment tonight, where do you stand on the financial recovery plan?
First response to you, Senator Obama. You have two minutes.

OBAMA: Well, thank you very much, Jim, and thanks to the commission and the University of Mississippi, Ole Miss, for hosting us tonight. I can't think of a more important time for us to talk about the future of the country.

You know, we are at a defining moment in our history. Our nation is involved in two wars, and we are going through the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.

And although we've heard a lot about Wall Street, those of you on Main Street I think have been struggling for a while, and you recognize that this could have an impact on all sectors of the economy.

And you're wondering, how's it going to affect me? How's it going to affect my job? How's it going to affect my house? How's it going to affect my retirement savings or my ability to send my children to college?

So we have to move swiftly, and we have to move wisely. And I've put forward a series of proposals that make sure that we protect taxpayers as we engage
in this important rescue effort.

Number one, we've got to make sure that we've got oversight over this whole process; $700 billion, potentially, is a lot of money.

Number two, we've got to make sure that taxpayers, when they are putting their money at risk, have the possibility of getting that money back and gains, if the market -- and when the market returns.

Number three, we've got to make sure that none of that money is going to pad CEO bank accounts or to promote golden parachutes.

And, number four, we've got to make sure that we're helping homeowners, because the root problem here has to do with the foreclosures that are taking place all across the country.

Now, we also have to recognize that this is a final verdict on eight years of failed economic policies promoted by George Bush, supported by Senator McCain, a theory that basically says that we can shred regulations and consumer protections and give more and more to the most, and somehow prosperity will trickle down.

It hasn't worked. And I think that the fundamentals of the economy have to be measured by whether or not the middle class is getting a fair shake. That's why I'm running for president, and that's what I hope we're going to be talking about tonight.

LEHRER: Senator McCain, two minutes.

MCCAIN: Well, thank you, Jim. And thanks to everybody.

And I do have a sad note tonight. Senator Kennedy is in the hospital. He's a dear and beloved friend to all of us. Our thoughts and prayers go out to the lion of the Senate.

I also want to thank the University of Mississippi for hosting us tonight.

And, Jim, I -- I've been not feeling too great about a lot of things lately. So have a lot of Americans who are facing challenges. But I'm feeling a little better tonight, and I'll tell you why.

And have no doubt about the magnitude of this crisis. And we're not talking about failure of institutions on Wall Street. We're talking about failures on Main Street, and people who will lose their jobs, and their credits, and their homes, if we don't fix the greatest fiscal crisis, probably in -- certainly in our time, and I've been around a little while. But the point is -- the point is, we have finally seen Republicans and Democrats sitting down and negotiating together and coming up with a package.

This package has transparency in it. It has to have accountability and oversight. It has to have options for loans to failing businesses, rather than the government taking over those loans. We have to -- it has to have a package with a number of other essential elements to it.

And, yes, I went back to Washington, and I met with my Republicans in the House of Representatives. And they weren't part of the negotiations, and I understand that. And it was the House Republicans that decided that they would be part of the solution to this problem.

But I want to emphasize one point to all Americans tonight. This isn't the beginning of the end of this crisis. This is the end of the beginning, if we come out with a package that will keep these institutions stable.

And we've got a lot of work to do. And we've got to create jobs. And one of the areas, of course, is to eliminate our dependence on foreign oil.

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Then, Jim steps in, realizing that neither person answered the question and tries to refocus the candidates:
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LEHRER: All right, let's go back to my question. How do you all stand on the recovery plan? And talk to each other about it. We've got five minutes. We can negotiate a deal right here.

But, I mean, are you -- do you favor this plan, Senator Obama, and you, Senator McCain? Do you -- are you in favor of this plan?

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Needless to say, they did not negotiate a deal right there.

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I swear both parties have lost their ever lovin minds.
I can no longer even identify any republicans, I think they all died with Goldwater.
The democrats have swung so far left, I am sure JFK wouldn't recognize them if he could see them now.
What was BD's term,,,,, a buffet of buffoons? I am pretty sure that is close to what the rest of the world thinks of the USA right about now.
My German buddy ask me last week end, "what are you Americans thinking". I told her we aren't thinking, is all I can figure out.

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This is how I feel. As of this past week I officially opt out of all serious discussion of this years election. I turned the "debate" on last evening for all of two minutes. That was simply to see that Jim Lehrer indeed moderated the "event". It was nice to see him, further, to discover that Gwen Iffil will again host the vp debate(sic).  Poor Gwen, but it is encouraging? ...to see peaceful, thought provoking uninyoface media icons put some class back in the process. Too bad they can't get the old school "debate" format back in. At least with these two the likelihood for a street brawl is far less likely than some silly roundtable banter format as previously seen in the past and is more likely found in the EU. Immediately upon Lehrer introducing the picks of the litter I returned to the baseball game. As a side note, the Tampa Bay Rays have nothing to do, whatsoever, with TAMPA. They are firmly located smack in the middle of downtown St. Petersburg Florida. She has football and hockey, we have the next World Series victors. Maybe not that grand, who knows, but the team did recieve win the American League East Division last night. Despite losing last night's game. Who cares, it's all about the winning, right?

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 i have to wonder what the rest of the world thinks of both obama,palin and mccain. do they worry?  im going to have to peruse the foreign press sometime this weekend if i get 15 min of free time. the us press has us all caught up in the sporting event of the race. really sometimes i forget that this is a political campaign and not a playoff game. the rest of the world has a huge stake both in whats happening with our economy and with the election. id love to hear how this is all being taken up by them. and all the buzz today is that there is going to be a vp swap. ive heard it said about both the republican and democratic sides. im thinking this is another internet wishful thinking thing but who knows?

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I swear both parties have lost their ever lovin minds.
I can no longer even identify any republicans, I think they all died with Goldwater.
The democrats have swung so far left, I am sure JFK wouldn't recognize them if he could see them now.
What was BD's term,,,,, a buffet of buffoons? I am pretty sure that is close to what the rest of the world thinks of the USA right about now.
My German buddy ask me last week end, "what are you Americans thinking". I told her we aren't thinking, is all I can figure out.

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Whew! Good things those Russian don't have TV's or anything, hunh!

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lol well maybe she thinks they dont speak english! i thought the peek a boo 3 inch heels were a nice touch for meeting with the iraqi and pakistani contingent. the heels didnt go over so well with the pres of iraqs wife but dang the pakistani pres thought she was gorgeous. and she is. she is a beautiful woman. and a fairly smart woman, but a heartbeat from that 3 am call? id be afraid shed have pastor muthee answer the phone and that hed perform an exorcism.

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I was especially impressed by the inherent international diplomacy exhibited when saying:  "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America..."


Whew! Good things those Russian don't have TV's or anything, hunh!

                       

Couric: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?

Sarah Palin: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and, on our other side, the land-boundary that we have with Canada. It's funny that a comment like that was kinda made to I don't know, you know reporters.

Couric: Mocked?

Palin: Yeah, mocked, I guess that's the word, yeah.

Couric: Well, explain to me why that enhances your foreign-policy credentials.

Palin: Well, it certainly does, because our, our next-door neighbors are foreign countries, there in the state that I am the executive of. And there 



                   







Couric: Have you ever been involved in any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?

Palin: We have trade missions back and forth, we do. It's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there, they are right next to our state. 



                


Couric: When President Bush ran for office, he opposed nation-building. But he has spent, as you know, much of his presidency promoting democracy around the world. What lessons have you learned from Iraq? And how specifically will you try to spread democracy throughout the world?

Palin: Specifically, we will make every effort possible to help spread democracy for those who desire freedom, independence, tolerance, respect for equality. That is the whole goal here in fighting terrorism also. It's not just to keep the people safe, but to be able to usher in democratic values and ideals around this, around the world.

Couric: You met yesterday with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who is for direct diplomacy with both Iran and Syria. Do you believe the U.S. should negotiate with leaders like President Assad and Ahmadinejad?

Palin: I think, with Ahmadinejad, personally, he is not one to negotiate with. You can't just sit down with him with no preconditions being met. Barack Obama is so off-base in his proclamation that he would meet with some of these leaders around our world who would seek to destroy America and that, and without preconditions being met. That's beyond naïve. And it's beyond bad judgment.

Couric: Are you saying Henry Kissinger

Palin: It's dangerous.

Couric: is naïve for supporting that?

Palin: I've never heard Henry Kissinger say, "Yeah, I'll meet with these leaders without preconditions being met." Diplomacy is about doing a lot of background work first and shoring up allies and positions and figuring out what sanctions perhaps could be implemented if things weren't gonna go right. That's part of diplomacy. 



                                 

Couric: You recently said three times that you would never, quote, "second guess" Israel if that country decided to attack Iran. Why not?

Palin: We shouldn't second guess Israel's security efforts because we cannot ever afford to send a message that we would allow a second Holocaust, for one. Israel has got to have the opportunity and the ability to protect itself. They are our closest ally in the Mideast. We need them. They need us. And we shouldn't second guess their efforts.

Couric: You don't think the United States is within its rights to express its position to Israel? And if that means second-guessing or discussing an option?

Palin: No, abso we need to express our rights and our concerns and

Couric: But you said never second guess them.

Palin: We don't have to second-guess what their efforts would be if they believe that it is in their country and their allies, including us, all of our best interests to fight against a regime, especially Iran, who would seek to wipe them off the face of the earth. It is obvious to me who the good guys are in this one and who the bad guys are. The bad guys are the ones who say Israel is a stinking corpse and should be wiped off the face of the earth. That's not a good guy who is saying that. Now, one who would seek to protect the good guys in this, the leaders of Israel and her friends, her allies, including the United States, in my world, those are the good guys.


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Owlie, truthfully, all four of them scare the ever livin crap out of me. I can't just not vote, that goes against all I believe in. (politically) Honestly, as it stands right now I have no idea what I am going to do come November. I feel sold down the river

My republican best friend and I were talking and he said the best fun we could have had would have been to have Mitt and Hillary running. He called them "two really great minds". For him to call Hillary a great mind was one of the nicest things he has ever said about a democrat.

Oh and the local republicans are mad as hell about this "buy" out. I had lunch with them yesterday, and more than one said they were looking into a third party. Scary huh?

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McCain sharply critical of Bush response to Katrina

Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:20pm EDT
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NEW ORLEANS, April 24 (Reuters) - Republican U.S. presidential candidate John McCain on Thursday sharply criticized the Bush administration's handling of Hurricane Katrina and vowed, "Never again."

McCain, putting some distance between himself and fellow Republican President George W. Bush, said if he had been president during the 2005 catastrophe he would have immediately visited New Orleans during the initial shock aftermath of the killer storm.

"I'm just saying I would've landed my airplane at the nearest Air Force base and come over personally," he said. (end of snip of Reuters article)





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I've met dozens of black Americans, Jamaicans, Santa Lucians, and newly "off the boat" real Africans who draw a totally blank look when discussing civil rights as they pertain to anyone other than persons of color. To many Christian and Muslim Blacks of any nationality homosexuality is a disgrace, and an abomination. Though they largely remain publically reserved about it, on American soil, they have fiercely strong opinions that combine fear, hatred and pity for the "afflicted" homosexuals. Unless, of course, they are back in the motherlands of Jamaica and Nigeria where they are free to simply torture, maim or murder queers. So, I am very much able to see a "civil rights" attorney suppress his Black Christian beliefs so to appease queer nation yet firmly and fiercely fight the constitutional rights of Black Americans. You're right about his speaking of partnership presence a "nod" of sorts. However, if that's the best he can gurgle up? Keep him, hospitals already allow ANY visitor, barring those with restraining orders, weapons or that pose a threat to the patient, facility or otherwise general good of public welfare. He's not referring to imposing any type of "implied consents" by a known partner in decision making to trump familial ties, even absent of written advance directives. obama has simply suggested domestic partners be allowed at their partners bedside. Well, no crap, they're doing it already. It's called a "visitor". And the hospitals that I've dealt with tend to be very sensitive to domestic partners. The problem we come back to here, in this county is that so many of the RN's, LPN's and CNA's are, guess what? Black Islanders. Sooo. You can lead an islander to water but you can't make them turn their back on their religious convictions and prejudice. Despite the fact that the state and county have paid for the nursing education. You just can't get them to leave their religion at the time clock. And that's a fact. Try to get one to volunteer to follow a full blown homosexual AIDS patient with TB and C-Diff on top of everything else. They'll quit and go elsewhere before doing it voluntarily. That's a true story. His civil rights attorney days were not that grand, not much tenured and while he did teach some constitutional law and I believe has a good grasp on it? I don't think he gives a patootey about the gay community. Or much of anyone for that matter, but his self promotion. As veiled in humility as he may try to contain it.

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BD, I so much agree with you. Those blinded by his well spoken DREAM are not going to see he is an empty suit, until it is way toooooooo late.
as far a being president of the Harvard law review, did he publish any papers while there, all the other presidents did? I give it to him he wrote two books, both very confusing and selfserving.
LMAO and Chicago, what a joke. Has anything changed in south Chicago? Is anyone off welfare, are there any new jobs? Are the children safer from violence? He has no record, just talk, that's all.
I recently was sent a list of Obama co-sponcered bills, lawdy, there was not one orginal bill in the bunch. Every danged one of them was something that is already law. Maybe a law that needs some revamping but none the less already on the books.

I am not crazy about McCain but he does have a political record we can examine.

I am less impressed with Palin but we do have 20 months of her being a govenor to examine.
LMAO Obama 143 days in the senate and how many times did he fail to vote?

I still may vote for Bob Barr just to say KMA to both parties.

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he may be. its hard to say. i cannot fathom how someone who is a civil rights attorney could hold that position even in a private way but stranger things have happened. then too there is an historic antipathy between the queer community and the black community and i think he has to keep his responses about our issues to a place where he doesnt piss off either the black community or the queer community which is why he talked in his speech about the places where we could all agree like being allowed at a partners death bed. do hospitals enforce this stuff these days? seems like the least of our problems but perhaps a place where he feels there might be some understanding by straight people. the question id really like to see him answer is how he could take this position and how he compares or defines the struggle for civil rights for both the black and queer community. i suspect hed say they are not the same thing and if so id love to hear his reasoning. nobody asks him this tho.

 

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Wizeguy, with the numbers eh? BO can't even utter the words gay or lesbian. Not even 57% of the time.

thats because he'd p_iss off 57% of his base.

So, there. I don't care WHAT or WHO the HRC tries to strongarm me about, they get no more money. Hell, it all goes to CA anyway. I just wish my gay gov would come out now. ;)

 

im getting a lil bit giggly about truthouts attempts to get money from me. the more i send those back with an opt out, leave me alone message the more they email me.

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Yup. McCain was one of the first to come out in support of it months and months ago.


"...90% of the time..."

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Wizeguy, with the numbers eh? BO can't even utter the words gay or lesbian. Not even 57% of the time. So, there. I don't care WHAT or WHO the HRC tries to strongarm me about, they get no more money. Hell, it all goes to CA anyway. I just wish my gay gov would come out now. ;)

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He's a man, "de-briefed" is more likely. ;)