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RE: michael jackson dead

Psych Lit · Guru

divers34 wrote:

What ever happened to confidentiality? It's called HIPPAA and I was very disappointed to see Dr. Chopra exploiting his experiences with Michael on public television. Shame on him!

this is a gray area for people. dr chopra was his friend, not his physician, so the confidentiality boundary is not as sharply drawn. imo, that line is one that should not be breached regardless of the relationship. there are ways of looking at the world when one is a medical practicioner that differ from what others might look at, even in friendship, one sees what others might not and one has knowledge of what is proper in medical treatment that makes it impossible to "check" the dr status at the door in the face of medical abuse. as his friend he might limit his intervention to speaking to the problem but as a physican his intervention toward those suppliers should adhere to a different set of ethical guidelines. there is also an exchange of medical information in friendship that may be interpreted differently by "civilians" who do not have medical training and in those instances this info concerning others habits or health is, imo, best left private. i would also think that he does have a responsibility as a physician to report those medical "professionals" who would exploit someones addictions not just go on larry king and talk about it.

divers34 · Newbie

im listening to larry king live and his guest is deepok chopra. chopra is talking about jackson asking him for narcotic prescriptions which chopra says that he did not supply. however he does go on to talk about the concierge doctors who supplied him with drugs, the prescriptions he personally saw for oxycontin and other controlled drugs and he speaks of trying to talk to jackson about this and being rebuffed. chopra is an MD. I am beyond confused thinking that he was in possession of this knowledge and chose not to act on it. why didnt he report the docs who were over prescribing? imo a physician who has first hand knowledge of this kind of physician abuse is as guilty as the prescriber if he chooses to remain silent.

What ever happened to confidentiality? It's called HIPPAA and I was very disappointed to see Dr. Chopra exploiting his experiences with Michael on public television. Shame on him!

divers34 · Newbie

May Michael rest in peace. I loved him in life and I love him in death. Such a tragedy and tremendous loss.

-- Edited by divers34 on Sunday 5th of July 2009 10:58:09 AM

Date: Mon Jun 29 8:41 AM, 2009

I hope to God netherland or whatever the f it's called is not his burial ground and, that the family can not turn it into a twisted sick version of graceland. A shrine to a pedophile. If this report of his autopsy is correct then, I tend to believe the reports that it was a MJ impersonater that was at the media conferances promoting this concert. This is it. Thank God. And, **** you Joe Jackson and, everyone kissing your ass. Gator

By LACHLAN CARTWRIGHT in LA and DAVID K. L I in New York

June 29, 2009
Posted: 3:53 am
June 29, 2009

An autopsy on Michael Jackson revealed that the King of Pop's emaciated body was riddled with needle marks and scars, and his head was virtually bald, it was reported today.

Jackson's body had wasted away to a mere 112 pounds, and his stomach was completely empty except for partially dissolved pills, according to the London Sun.

His hips, thighs and shoulders were covered with needle wounds, believed to have come from shots of painkillers, and he was wearing a wig when he was found because his hair had been reduced to a "peach fuzz" on his scalp, the report said.

"He was skin and bone, his hair had fallen out, and he had been eating nothing but pills when he died," a source close to the singer's entourage told the paper.

"Injection marks all over his body and the disfigurement caused by years of plastic surgery show he'd been in terminal decline for some years."

There were four fresh injections around his heart, presumably from attempts to pump adrenaline into it to jumpstart it, the paper said.

Three of them had penetrated and damaged his heart wall, while a fourth struck his ribs, the paper reported.

He also sustained several broken ribs while authorities administered CPR during his final moments Thursday.

Jackson had one spot above his left ear that was scarred and completely bald -- the apparent result of burns sustained when his hair caught fire while he was filming a Pepsi commercial in 1984.

He also had numerous other scars, apparently from plastic surgery.

In addition, he had mysterious bruises on his knees and shins and cuts on his back, possibly indicating a recent fall, the paper said.

Date: Mon Jun 29 6:05 AM, 2009

My Turn wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

My Turn wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'm not going to prove your distorted views wrong anymore BD or drain myself correcting your un informed come backs. . And, I'm not game for the "reality" fight your trying to pick. Your name calling is ineffective but, I am sure that you can one up that as well to a level I dont care to witness. I'm not really concerned with who falls for your crap. Or props it up anymore. MJ was insured from his head to his toes. I had a thought and, as the stats will show here. It was correct. But, there are way better "lesbian" (big f-ing eyeroll) boards that have potential to grow and do not include your childess pettiness. The behavior would not much matter except for here you seem to run the show just like your "ex" did on aol. I'm out of here Gator

gator...well said. i was thinking i was the only one who felt this way....it is getting old...the "dont bore me with the facts...i'm always right and youre always wrong if you disagree with me because i said so,....and i wont discuss it further...." **yawn**

Its tactical and, a sad display of straw man arguing which is rarely considered anything other than exploitation.

Bingo! straw man!! that is the fallacy of logical reasoning that i was wracking my brain trying to remember from my ethics class when i was posting my response.

Shame.....I was about to flirt shamelessly with you;) Bye now. Gator

damn! i was intrigued by you before and now even more so....talk to me....

Good morning to you :) Gator

Date: Sun Jun 28 9:48 PM, 2009

perhaps you don't know the saying

Date: Sun Jun 28 8:27 PM, 2009

RE: michael jackson dead

boxdog1031 · Veteran Member

But drama will NEVER end...Norma Desmond never knew when to exit either. Of course she's forgiven for her sheer brilliance. Uhm, stark contrast to present day temperament. btw, flirting is something that can be "picked up" in, oh an email or phone call. Just sayin'.

That's one back of palm to forehead two black gloves and a swipe across the forehead from the velvet sofa.

My Turn · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

My Turn wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'm not going to prove your distorted views wrong anymore BD or drain myself correcting your un informed come backs. . And, I'm not game for the "reality" fight your trying to pick. Your name calling is ineffective but, I am sure that you can one up that as well to a level I dont care to witness. I'm not really concerned with who falls for your crap. Or props it up anymore. MJ was insured from his head to his toes. I had a thought and, as the stats will show here. It was correct. But, there are way better "lesbian" (big f-ing eyeroll) boards that have potential to grow and do not include your childess pettiness. The behavior would not much matter except for here you seem to run the show just like your "ex" did on aol. I'm out of here Gator

gator...well said. i was thinking i was the only one who felt this way....it is getting old...the "dont bore me with the facts...i'm always right and youre always wrong if you disagree with me because i said so,....and i wont discuss it further...." **yawn**

Its tactical and, a sad display of straw man arguing which is rarely considered anything other than exploitation.

Bingo! straw man!! that is the fallacy of logical reasoning that i was wracking my brain trying to remember from my ethics class when i was posting my response.

Shame.....I was about to flirt shamelessly with you;) Bye now. Gator

damn! i was intrigued by you before and now even more so....talk to me....

Date: Sat Jun 27 8:31 PM, 2009

My Turn wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

As to the first set of comments, the mention of insurance companies involvement in MJ's care is silly, just ridiculous. Are you really of the belief Kaiser Permanente or WellCal insured him? With the kind of money he HAD? The types of elective things he did to himself? He didn't care about insurance.

Anyway, back to reality, yes, Psych you're right. It's called the Hypocratic Oath. Direct provider or not Chopra is a material witness to potential medical abuses. The state, at minimum should have been notified. Especially if the allegations that the majority, or any, of the pill bottles are prescribed to "other names".

I'm not going to prove your distorted views wrong anymore BD or drain myself correcting your un informed come backs. . And, I'm not game for the "reality" fight your trying to pick. Your name calling is ineffective but, I am sure that you can one up that as well to a level I dont care to witness. I'm not really concerned with who falls for your crap. Or props it up anymore. MJ was insured from his head to his toes. I had a thought and, as the stats will show here. It was correct. But, there are way better "lesbian" (big f-ing eyeroll) boards that have potential to grow and do not include your childess pettiness. The behavior would not much matter except for here you seem to run the show just like your "ex" did on aol. I'm out of here Gator

gator...well said. i was thinking i was the only one who felt this way....it is getting old...the "dont bore me with the facts...i'm always right and youre always wrong if you disagree with me because i said so,....and i wont discuss it further...." **yawn**

Its tactical and, a sad display of straw man arguing which is rarely considered anything other than exploitation. And, even more so when it is used in a social setting. Picking the incidentals apart is easy but, someone who constantly does sends a red flag control freak warning for me. And, it is a glaring trait of someone who is. It is beyond tiring and, I have been torn because I like most everyone. I just was beginning to wonder why this is so accepted and, gald I am actually being honest about why this time / exit. It bothers me more seeing it done to others than actually having had to engage it. And, yes ...........yawn........who wants to constantly engage it. Yes, it's old and, I'm sorry I did not get a chance to know you / my neighbor (and Cat) better. Thanks Psych and Neasea as well. I guess it is intended not to have anyone other than who and what is here. I truly believe that is why the board does not grow. People just don't care for that behavior all the friggin time and, it is soooooooooo boring. Shame.....I was about to flirt shamelessly with you;) Bye now. Gator

boxdog1031 · Veteran Member

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Psych Lit wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

oh yes i knew straight away it was a probable overdosed with his pill maintenance. I'm sure he must of had some sort of physical in order to be insured for this comeback concert (and how he was selling out the venues is something i do not understand) I guess drug dependency was not reason to deny coverage and, that is another grip for me and, a shinning example of the huge risky gambles for huge profit the insurance industry takes ................at the expense of the Average American. Gator

im listening to larry king live and his guest is deepok chopra. chopra is talking about jackson asking him for narcotic prescriptions which chopra says that he did not supply. however he does go on to talk about the concierge doctors who supplied him with drugs, the prescriptions he personally saw for oxycontin and other controlled drugs and he speaks of trying to talk to jackson about this and being rebuffed. chopra is an MD. I am beyond confused thinking that he was in possession of this knowledge and chose not to act on it. why didnt he report the docs who were over prescribing? imo a physician who has first hand knowledge of this kind of physician abuse is as guilty as the prescriber if he chooses to remain silent.

As to the first set of comments, the mention of insurance companies involvement in MJ's care is silly, just ridiculous. Are you really of the belief Kaiser Permanente or WellCal insured him? With the kind of money he HAD? The types of elective things he did to himself? He didn't care about insurance.

Anyway, back to reality, yes, Psych you're right. It's called the Hypocratic Oath. Direct provider or not Chopra is a material witness to potential medical abuses. The state, at minimum should have been notified. Especially if the allegations that the majority, or any, of the pill bottles are prescribed to "other names".

I'm not going to prove your distorted views wrong anymore BD or drain myself correcting your un informed come backs. . And, I'm not game for the "reality" fight your trying to pick. Your name calling is ineffective but, I am sure that you can one up that as well to a level I dont care to witness. I'm not really concerned with who falls for your crap. Or props it up anymore. MJ was insured from his head to his toes. I had a thought and, as the stats will show here. It was correct. But, there are way better "lesbian" (big f-ing eyeroll) boards that have potential to grow and do not include your childess pettiness. The behavior would not much matter except for here you seem to run the show just like your "ex" did on aol. I'm out of here Gator

There's nothing worse than a "reality fight". lol. Didn't know I was running a show, sorry for my lapse in coverage then. Please enjoy the music while our sponsors show their wares. And you know the old saying about the door and your ass.

My Turn · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

As to the first set of comments, the mention of insurance companies involvement in MJ's care is silly, just ridiculous. Are you really of the belief Kaiser Permanente or WellCal insured him? With the kind of money he HAD? The types of elective things he did to himself? He didn't care about insurance.

Anyway, back to reality, yes, Psych you're right. It's called the Hypocratic Oath. Direct provider or not Chopra is a material witness to potential medical abuses. The state, at minimum should have been notified. Especially if the allegations that the majority, or any, of the pill bottles are prescribed to "other names".

I'm not going to prove your distorted views wrong anymore BD or drain myself correcting your un informed come backs. . And, I'm not game for the "reality" fight your trying to pick. Your name calling is ineffective but, I am sure that you can one up that as well to a level I dont care to witness. I'm not really concerned with who falls for your crap. Or props it up anymore. MJ was insured from his head to his toes. I had a thought and, as the stats will show here. It was correct. But, there are way better "lesbian" (big f-ing eyeroll) boards that have potential to grow and do not include your childess pettiness. The behavior would not much matter except for here you seem to run the show just like your "ex" did on aol. I'm out of here Gator

gator...well said. i was thinking i was the only one who felt this way....it is getting old...the "dont bore me with the facts...i'm always right and youre always wrong if you disagree with me because i said so,....and i wont discuss it further...." **yawn**

Date: Sat Jun 27 5:47 AM, 2009

Anonymous wrote:

Psych Lit wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

oh yes i knew straight away it was a probable overdosed with his pill maintenance. I'm sure he must of had some sort of physical in order to be insured for this comeback concert (and how he was selling out the venues is something i do not understand) I guess drug dependency was not reason to deny coverage and, that is another grip for me and, a shinning example of the huge risky gambles for huge profit the insurance industry takes ................at the expense of the Average American. Gator

im listening to larry king live and his guest is deepok chopra. chopra is talking about jackson asking him for narcotic prescriptions which chopra says that he did not supply. however he does go on to talk about the concierge doctors who supplied him with drugs, the prescriptions he personally saw for oxycontin and other controlled drugs and he speaks of trying to talk to jackson about this and being rebuffed. chopra is an MD. I am beyond confused thinking that he was in possession of this knowledge and chose not to act on it. why didnt he report the docs who were over prescribing? imo a physician who has first hand knowledge of this kind of physician abuse is as guilty as the prescriber if he chooses to remain silent.

As to the first set of comments, the mention of insurance companies involvement in MJ's care is silly, just ridiculous. Are you really of the belief Kaiser Permanente or WellCal insured him? With the kind of money he HAD? The types of elective things he did to himself? He didn't care about insurance.

Anyway, back to reality, yes, Psych you're right. It's called the Hypocratic Oath. Direct provider or not Chopra is a material witness to potential medical abuses. The state, at minimum should have been notified. Especially if the allegations that the majority, or any, of the pill bottles are prescribed to "other names".

I'm not going to prove your distorted views wrong anymore BD or drain myself correcting your un informed come backs. . And, I'm not game for the "reality" fight your trying to pick. Your name calling is ineffective but, I am sure that you can one up that as well to a level I dont care to witness. I'm not really concerned with who falls for your crap. Or props it up anymore. MJ was insured from his head to his toes. I had a thought and, as the stats will show here. It was correct. But, there are way better "lesbian" (big f-ing eyeroll) boards that have potential to grow and do not include your childess pettiness. The behavior would not much matter except for here you seem to run the show just like your "ex" did on aol. I'm out of here Gator

Date: Sat Jun 27 12:23 AM, 2009

Psych Lit wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

oh yes i knew straight away it was a probable overdosed with his pill maintenance. I'm sure he must of had some sort of physical in order to be insured for this comeback concert (and how he was selling out the venues is something i do not understand) I guess drug dependency was not reason to deny coverage and, that is another grip for me and, a shinning example of the huge risky gambles for huge profit the insurance industry takes ................at the expense of the Average American. Gator

im listening to larry king live and his guest is deepok chopra. chopra is talking about jackson asking him for narcotic prescriptions which chopra says that he did not supply. however he does go on to talk about the concierge doctors who supplied him with drugs, the prescriptions he personally saw for oxycontin and other controlled drugs and he speaks of trying to talk to jackson about this and being rebuffed. chopra is an MD. I am beyond confused thinking that he was in possession of this knowledge and chose not to act on it. why didnt he report the docs who were over prescribing? imo a physician who has first hand knowledge of this kind of physician abuse is as guilty as the prescriber if he chooses to remain silent.

As to the first set of comments, the mention of insurance companies involvement in MJ's care is silly, just ridiculous. Are you really of the belief Kaiser Permanente or WellCal insured him? With the kind of money he HAD? The types of elective things he did to himself? He didn't care about insurance.

Anyway, back to reality, yes, Psych you're right. It's called the Hypocratic Oath. Direct provider or not Chopra is a material witness to potential medical abuses. The state, at minimum should have been notified. Especially if the allegations that the majority, or any, of the pill bottles are prescribed to "other names".

Psych Lit · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

oh yes i knew straight away it was a probable overdosed with his pill maintenance. I'm sure he must of had some sort of physical in order to be insured for this comeback concert (and how he was selling out the venues is something i do not understand) I guess drug dependency was not reason to deny coverage and, that is another grip for me and, a shinning example of the huge risky gambles for huge profit the insurance industry takes ................at the expense of the Average American. Gator

im listening to larry king live and his guest is deepok chopra. chopra is talking about jackson asking him for narcotic prescriptions which chopra says that he did not supply. however he does go on to talk about the concierge doctors who supplied him with drugs, the prescriptions he personally saw for oxycontin and other controlled drugs and he speaks of trying to talk to jackson about this and being rebuffed. chopra is an MD. I am beyond confused thinking that he was in possession of this knowledge and chose not to act on it. why didnt he report the docs who were over prescribing? imo a physician who has first hand knowledge of this kind of physician abuse is as guilty as the prescriber if he chooses to remain silent.

Nightowlhoot3 · Guru

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Date: Fri Jun 26 3:07 PM, 2009

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'm a wee bit upset at all this smattering of him .His music became and, is for me a reminder where evil lurks behind kids. And, that know is between him and his God. It takes away from Farrah's passing and memorial. Ms. Fawcet's poster was the best all time seller and, her work in the Burning Bed brought much overdo attention to spousal abuse. She showed there can be strength in beauty and, it marked a change there for women as well. Gator

I said from King of Pop to Prince of Pedophilia, times up, moonwalk on outta here. That's what I said.

As I head out today I will be sure I have plenty of CD's for my drive. I'm about over it and, have broke habit since it is even hard to get a weather report on TV this am. It is maddening that most are saying lets move beyond his "demons" and celebrate the music and, as usual the opportunity to champion children gets lost. Gator

Off topic and, a bit weird but, I wanted to share one of my strange thoughts. Someone posted and, wanted to parallel Ms. Fawcets anal cancer with the gay male community and, the papaloma virus. No proof that is the cause and, I have suspected for a very long time pressure treated wood is a culprit beyond what they warn us about. They warn not to eat off a picnic table that is but, I imagine sitting on one is just as harmful. She loved her meal times surrounded by those she loved. I knew someone that lived outdoors and, had this cancer too. I wonder. Her cronicle of her treatment and fight was a very selfless act. Gator.
You're right in one thing. This was EXTREMELY weird. And really, who the hell says "anal cancer", rectal? Have a nice flight.

If she had rectal cancer I would not have had my epiphany about sitting on and, the leeching of pressure treated wood. But, hers was anal cancer like I said. Gator

My Turn · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

You're right in one thing. This was EXTREMELY weird. And really, who the hell says "anal cancer", rectal? Have a nice flight.

apparently, they call it anal cancer when that is the type of cancer one has....go figure.....

Fawcett's cancer battle brings attention to rare illnessSTORY HIGHLIGHTSRisk factors for anal cancer include suppressed immune system, HPV, STDsNew cases of anal cancer number about 5,000 a year, with 680 deaths per yearAnal cancer it treatable, but becomes more difficult to treat if tumor spreadsupdated 1:10 p.m. EDT, Thu June 25, 2009Next Article in Health »

By Madison Park
CNN

This story was first published on April 9, 2009. Farrah Fawcett lost her battle with anal cancer June 25, 2009.

(CNN) -- The news that one of America's TV icons is suffering from cancer brought sadness. Learning the type of cancer she had made some squeamish.

Farrah Fawcett, shown here in 2004, learned she had cancer in 2006.

Former "Charlie's Angels" actress Farrah Fawcett, 62, was hospitalized this week. She received a diagnosis of anal cancer in 2006.

This type of cancer is less common than rectal and colon cancer, and the location of the tumor and risk factors make people squeamish about discussing it openly, doctors said.

Colon cancer at one time also was not openly talked about, because of the body part and functions affected, but with the public awareness campaigns and celebrities advocating for screenings, it has been largely destigmatized. Anal cancer is less familiar.

Fawcett has not publicly confirmed the specifics of her illness, but is working on a documentary, titled "A Wing and a Prayer," about her health battle.

Anal cancer affects more women and the illness is usually found in people who are in their early 60's. The American Cancer Society estimates that 5,000 new cases of anal cancer are diagnosed each year and about 680 people die from it annually. Meanwhile, colorectal cancer has 148,000 new cases and about 50,000 deaths each year.

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The numbers of anal cancer cases are rising, although experts haven't been able to pinpoint why.

Cultural squeamishness about certain body areas could prevent early diagnosis and treatment of anal cancer, said Dr. Petr F. Hausner, an associate professor of medicine at the University of Maryland Medical Center in Baltimore, Maryland.

"Patients in the United States hate to be examined in these areas," said Hausner, who trained in Czechoslovakia. "They like to keep their private parts more private than in Europe. In the U.S., the patients hate those exams and physicians hate to do them. The examination is incomplete."

The cultural discomfort might be a minor factor, though.

"The bigger role is the virus," he said referring to the human papilloma virus, a key risk factor for anal cancer that also can cause cervical cancer. Getting vaccinated against HPV is a step in prevention, Hausner said.

More than half of anal cancer patients experience bleeding as a symptom. Others have no symptoms or report common conditions, such as hemorrhoids, fissures, or warts. Symptoms also include itching or pain in that area, changes in the diameter of stool, abnormal discharge, swollen lymph nodes in the anal or groin areas, according to the American Cancer Society.

"The most common thing is people think it's a hemorrhoid," said Dr. Cathy Eng, associate professor in the department of gastrointestinal medical oncology at the University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center. Patients should consult with their physicians, she said.

Anal pap smears are routine only for HIV-positive patients, who are at higher risk for this cancer. There are no anal cancer screening recommendations for non-HIV individuals, because it remains a rare disease, Hausner said.

People whose immune system are suppressed, from HIV or drugs taken after organ transplants are at risk for anal cancer. Other risk factors include a sexual history with many partners, a medical history of human papilloma virus (HPV), sexually transmitted diseases or gynecological cancers.

People tend to view anal cancer negatively, because they associate the cancer with a few of its risk factors -- such as sexually transmitted diseases or anal sex, Eng said.

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"It's one of the risk factors, not the only risk factor," Eng said. "It's fair to say people are stigmatized, she said, primarily because of the disease's association with that type of sex.

When anal cancer is caught early, chemotherapy and radiation are highly effective. But if the cancer doesn't respond to treatment and spreads to other areas of the body, the five-year survival rate plummets to 20 percent, Eng said.

"Anal cancer is unique," she said. "The majority of time you can cure the patient, but if you have recurrent or residual disease, you could end up losing your sphincter."

The sphincter are muscles that holds in urine and feces. If the sphincter is removed, the patient must have a special bag, called an ostomy pouch, that collects the waste.

Anal cancer is "much rarer than colon cancer," Hausner said. "For 50 colon cancer patients, we see one anal cancer... It's a rare disease. It is becoming a little bit more frequent. I would say that people are not aware."

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Date: Fri Jun 26 2:43 PM, 2009

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'm a wee bit upset at all this smattering of him .His music became and, is for me a reminder where evil lurks behind kids. And, that know is between him and his God. It takes away from Farrah's passing and memorial. Ms. Fawcet's poster was the best all time seller and, her work in the Burning Bed brought much overdo attention to spousal abuse. She showed there can be strength in beauty and, it marked a change there for women as well. Gator

I said from King of Pop to Prince of Pedophilia, times up, moonwalk on outta here. That's what I said.

As I head out today I will be sure I have plenty of CD's for my drive. I'm about over it and, have broke habit since it is even hard to get a weather report on TV this am. It is maddening that most are saying lets move beyond his "demons" and celebrate the music and, as usual the opportunity to champion children gets lost. Gator

Off topic and, a bit weird but, I wanted to share one of my strange thoughts. Someone posted and, wanted to parallel Ms. Fawcets anal cancer with the gay male community and, the papaloma virus. No proof that is the cause and, I have suspected for a very long time pressure treated wood is a culprit beyond what they warn us about. They warn not to eat off a picnic table that is but, I imagine sitting on one is just as harmful. She loved her meal times surrounded by those she loved. I knew someone that lived outdoors and, had this cancer too. I wonder. Her cronicle of her treatment and fight was a very selfless act. Gator.

You're right in one thing. This was EXTREMELY weird. And really, who the hell says "anal cancer", rectal? Have a nice flight.

nesea · Senior Member

It has begun ... or maybe it's just my sick friends. This one did make me chuckle though ....

MJ wanted to donate his body to science but only if his remains would be displayed in the please touch museum.

Psych Lit · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

By the way, very late last night one of his attornies was quoted as saying if you were appalled by Anna Nicole Smith and the ring of drugs, alcohol and enabling for profit that was surrounding her you haven't heard anything yet.

oh yes i knew straight away it was a probable overdosed with his pill maintenance. I'm sure he must of had some sort of physical in order to be insured for this comeback concert (and how he was selling out the venues is something i do not understand) I guess drug dependency was not reason to deny coverage and, that is another grip for me and, a shinning example of the huge risky gambles for huge profit the insurance industry takes ................at the expense of the Average American. Gator

he prolly had his physical done by his own docs. i wonder if they will be charged as were anna nicoles?

Date: Fri Jun 26 5:39 AM, 2009

Anonymous wrote:

By the way, very late last night one of his attornies was quoted as saying if you were appalled by Anna Nicole Smith and the ring of drugs, alcohol and enabling for profit that was surrounding her you haven't heard anything yet.

oh yes i knew straight away it was a probable overdosed with his pill maintenance. I'm sure he must of had some sort of physical in order to be insured for this comeback concert (and how he was selling out the venues is something i do not understand) I guess drug dependency was not reason to deny coverage and, that is another grip for me and, a shinning example of the huge risky gambles for huge profit the insurance industry takes ................at the expense of the Average American. Gator

Date: Fri Jun 26 5:31 AM, 2009

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'm a wee bit upset at all this smattering of him .His music became and, is for me a reminder where evil lurks behind kids. And, that know is between him and his God. It takes away from Farrah's passing and memorial. Ms. Fawcet's poster was the best all time seller and, her work in the Burning Bed brought much overdo attention to spousal abuse. She showed there can be strength in beauty and, it marked a change there for women as well. Gator

I said from King of Pop to Prince of Pedophilia, times up, moonwalk on outta here. That's what I said.

As I head out today I will be sure I have plenty of CD's for my drive. I'm about over it and, have broke habit since it is even hard to get a weather report on TV this am. It is maddening that most are saying lets move beyond his "demons" and celebrate the music and, as usual the opportunity to champion children gets lost. Gator

Off topic and, a bit weird but, I wanted to share one of my strange thoughts. Someone posted and, wanted to parallel Ms. Fawcets anal cancer with the gay male community and, the papaloma virus. No proof that is the cause and, I have suspected for a very long time pressure treated wood is a culprit beyond what they warn us about. They warn not to eat off a picnic table that is but, I imagine sitting on one is just as harmful. She loved her meal times surrounded by those she loved. I knew someone that lived outdoors and, had this cancer too. I wonder. Her cronicle of her treatment and fight was a very selfless act. Gator.

Date: Fri Jun 26 5:14 AM, 2009

By the way, very late last night one of his attornies was quoted as saying if you were appalled by Anna Nicole Smith and the ring of drugs, alcohol and enabling for profit that was surrounding her you haven't heard anything yet.

Date: Fri Jun 26 5:11 AM, 2009

Anonymous wrote:

I'm a wee bit upset at all this smattering of him .His music became and, is for me a reminder where evil lurks behind kids. And, that know is between him and his God. It takes away from Farrah's passing and memorial. Ms. Fawcet's poster was the best all time seller and, her work in the Burning Bed brought much overdo attention to spousal abuse. She showed there can be strength in beauty and, it marked a change there for women as well. Gator

I said from King of Pop to Prince of Pedophilia, times up, moonwalk on outta here. That's what I said.

Date: Fri Jun 26 4:57 AM, 2009

I'm a wee bit upset at all this smattering of him .His music became and, is for me a reminder where evil lurks behind kids. And, that know is between him and his God. It takes away from Farrah's passing and memorial. Ms. Fawcet's poster was the best all time seller and, her work in the Burning Bed brought much overdo attention to spousal abuse. She showed there can be strength in beauty and, it marked a change there for women as well. Gator

Psych Lit · Guru

nesea wrote:

To stray just a little, I'm always amazed at the nonchalance those gifted individuals have with their talents. I'm talking about the Michael Jackson's and Whitney Houston types that possess exceptional abilities and then proceed to drink and drug them away. I dunno ... it's their life and they can do with it what they will .. but it just seems sad to me.

i dunno i guess that for every gift we're given a price is extracted. what is the cost of fame and fortune? a loss of privacy, being surrounded by manipulative users and hangers on, being fawned over, not getting any real feedback from trusted friends on who you're becoming and how youre acting? sounds like hell on earth to me. throw in people around you trying to get you high and easy access to anything you want. it is sad tho. im reminded of susan boyle

Psych Lit · Guru

My Turn wrote:
funny, the thought that went thru my head after hearing of farrah fawcetts death today was the rule of 3 and i wondered who would complete the triad.

i cant get beyond the child molestation stuff enough to mourn his passing and im a bit irked at some of the coverage. its been non stop coverage on the major news channels and most of it is glowing tho msnbc did dedicate some coverage to those pesky molestation charges.

then reading the new york times coverage of fawcetts death. the small headline, dwarfed now by news of the king of pops passing, was "a sex symbol who wanted to be more." what? excuse me? theyve reduced the life of this engaged and brave woman to a sex symbol who strived to be more while giving jackson a whole 15 page spread? sickening.
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There are conflicting reports about whether or not Michael Jackson has died. While the entertainment Web site TMZ.com has reported his death, the Los Angeles Times is reporting the pop star is in a coma and family have are arriving at his bedside.

nesea · Senior Member

My Turn wrote:

nesea wrote:

Hell, I even feel sad for Redman today, shackles and all

ok...who is redman.....sorry, was finishing up a term paper today so dont know what is really going on....only heard about jackson when my kid texted me on his way home from work....

ugh...i am so out of the loop with school stuff.....

Farrah's jailed son.

My Turn · Senior Member

nesea wrote:

Hell, I even feel sad for Redman today, shackles and all

ok...who is redman.....sorry, was finishing up a term paper today so dont know what is really going on....only heard about jackson when my kid texted me on his way home from work....

ugh...i am so out of the loop with school stuff.....

nesea · Senior Member

My Turn wrote:

it will be interesting to see the cause besides just heart attack/cardiac arrest....you really think it was pills? hmmmm, yeah, i guess i remember articles about back pain or something like that.....

sad really...he was such a great talent and had been on top of the world at one time...

sad for his kids too...no matter what anyone thinks about him, he was still their dad...

I read a while back that he was struggling with an addiction to painkillers, and with all the work (rehearsals and whatnot) going into getting ready for his scheduled concerts in July, I wouldn't be surprised if he was finding his relief in drugs. No doubt we'll all be guessing until they release the toxicology reports in a month or two.

And yes .. very sad for his children. Hell, I even feel sad for Redman today, shackles and all

My Turn · Senior Member

it will be interesting to see the cause besides just heart attack/cardiac arrest....you really think it was pills? hmmmm, yeah, i guess i remember articles about back pain or something like that.....

sad really...he was such a great talent and had been on top of the world at one time...

sad for his kids too...no matter what anyone thinks about him, he was still their dad...

nesea · Senior Member

I'm betting painkillers and jesus juice were involved. It's a damn shame too ... the direction his life took.

To stray just a little, I'm always amazed at the nonchalance those gifted individuals have with their talents. I'm talking about the Michael Jackson's and Whitney Houston types that possess exceptional abilities and then proceed to drink and drug them away. I dunno ... it's their life and they can do with it what they will .. but it just seems sad to me. Whitney is talking comeback but if you've heard her recently .. well, I don't think she'll be able to perform many of her classics .. she just can't get there anymore.

And everyone wants to blame Bobby Brown, but really Whitney made her own choices yanno ...

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King Of Pop Rushed To L.A. Hospital After 911 CallFont size Print Share 37 Comments

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Michael Jackson, shown announcing that he will play 10 concerts, in March. (AP Photo/Joel Ryan)

INTERACTIVEMichael Jackson
The pop icon's career has gone from moonwalk to perp walk and back.

(CBS/ AP) Last updated at 6:11 p.m. EDT

There are conflicting reports about whether or not Michael Jackson has died. While the entertainment Web site TMZ.com has reported his death, the Los Angeles Times is reporting the pop star is in a coma and family have are arriving at his bedside.

CBS News has not confirmed Jackson's death, but the Los Angeles Fire Department Thursday confirmed that he was rushed to UCLA Medical Center, reports KCBS in Los Angeles.

Jackson was not breathing when paramedics arrived.
Capt. Steve Ruda said paramedics responded to a call at Jackson's home around 12:26 p.m. The paramedics performed CPR and took him to UCLA Medical Center, Ruda told The Los Angeles Times.

The emergency entrance at the UCLA Medical Center, which is near Jackson's rented home, was roped off Thursday with police tape.

News trucks were gathered, helicopters flew overhead, and orange cones were laid out to redirect traffic.

"We have no statements as far as transporting Michael Jackson,'' Los Angeles Fire Department spokesman Devin Gales said.

-- Edited by My Turn on Thursday 25th of June 2009 03:33:16 PM