Where Everybody Knows You're Numb

Nightowlhoot3 · Guru

RE: oh it was only a joke.

nesea · Senior Member

nesea wrote:

ps ... still no "quote" button.

Well, me either, but if you click the arrow... drop down menu... wave mouse over general area you want and click ...

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That only seems to work on your own posts. I don't get that arrow on anyone else's.

Nightowlhoot3 · Guru

nesea wrote:

ps ... still no "quote" button.

Well, me either, but if you click the arrow... drop down menu... wave mouse over general area you want and click ...

-- Edited by Nightowlhoot3 on Friday 12th of June 2009 04:25:30 PM

nesea · Senior Member

"I'm impressionable"

Nesea

That's what she said. - Sienfeld.

Later- Terri

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and all this time I thought that quote was from "the office".

-- Edited by nesea on Friday 12th of June 2009 04:31:36 PM

boxdog1031 · Veteran Member

"I'm impressionable"

Nesea

That's what she said. - Sienfeld.

Later- Terri

nesea · Senior Member

I didn't at all mean to imply the folklore was either untrue or embellished. Though, hidden in his lapel, that note could have ben a grocery list. Either way, it was a man doing the right thing and crediting his mothers part in American life and history or just his way of doing the right thing and still "fitting" in with his besties and peers. So, sans the note, to me it's some sort of folklore. The nice type.

When tempers had cooled, Burn was asked to explain the red rose on his lapel and his "yellow-rose" vote. He responded that while it was true he was wearing a red rose, what people couldn't see was that his breast pocket contained a telegram from his mother in East Tennessee. She urged him to do the right thing and vote in favor of the amendment

As with this Chef Ramsay, if his best effort at an "apoplogy is to credit his mother then the two comments I have to that are she deserves credit for the thump and responsibility, in part, for raising this pig.

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Ohhhhhhh .....

question... can any of you actually see the light as it dawns on me? :)

ps ... still no "quote" button. just cuttin and pastin and clippin and prayin, writing and speakin your mindddddddddd ... lol

it was all that talk of re-writing lyrics .. I'm impressionable

boxdog1031 · Veteran Member

Nesea:

I didn't at all mean to imply the folklore was either untrue or embellished. Though, hidden in his lapel, that note could have ben a grocery list. Either way, it was a man doing the right thing and crediting his mothers part in American life and history or just his way of doing the right thing and still "fitting" in with his besties and peers. So, sans the note, to me it's some sort of folklore. The nice type.

When tempers had cooled, Burn was asked to explain the red rose on his lapel and his "yellow-rose" vote. He responded that while it was true he was wearing a red rose, what people couldn't see was that his breast pocket contained a telegram from his mother in East Tennessee. She urged him to do the right thing and vote in favor of the amendment

As with this Chef Ramsay, if his best effort at an "apoplogy is to credit his mother then the two comments I have to that are she deserves credit for the thump and responsibility, in part, for raising this pig.

Nightowlhoot3 · Guru

boxdog1031 wrote:

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

Psych Lit wrote:

MyCat8it wrote:

Psych Lit wrote:
id agree with that. tho the boycott would prolly give him more attention than he deserves. im more for the gordon who? plan:)

I don't watch this crap, so I have no idea who this guy is. I'm firmly entrenched in the Gordon Who? category.
uh huh. let me share that you arent missing much atall:)

He's since apologized ...
because HIS MOTHER called and told him he had to.

Well, seems his mother is about the only one with sense in this non-story. Folklore goes that's the way women finally got the vote here. A mothers note. Anyway, seems the "dyke pig" accepted whatever the apology was. In all it's seemingly disingenousity. (sic) That, to me, is the kicker. I'm just not of the school that accepts apologies simply because they're offered, not matter if they seem sincere or not. There really are things that cross the line and the only apology acceptable is to change the behavior. Not shift the spin.

Well, Abigale Adams TRIED with John... not his mother, though ... maybe that's why it took another century plus.....

nesea · Senior Member

Well, seems his mother is about the only one with sense in this non-story. Folklore goes that's the way women finally got the vote here. A mothers note. Anyway, seems the "dyke pig" accepted whatever the apology was. In all it's seemingly disingenousity. (sic) That, to me, is the kicker. I'm just not of the school that accepts apologies simply because they're offered, not matter if they seem sincere or not. There really are things that cross the line and the only apology acceptable is to change the behavior. Not shift the spin.

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folklore? As in "a body of widely held but false or unsubstantiated beliefs?" Really?

Why it sounds as though some might think that story was untrue .. concocted even. I'm shocked ...lol.

Anyways .. here's some info from an actual suffrage history site, girlscouts honor (you can't see me right now, but my right hand is up with two .. or is it three? fingers pointing up ... ok, so I was never a girlscout, but I was a brownie dangit ... so brownies honor <g>)

War of the Roses: Nineteenth Amendment Battle in Nashville, TN

Nashville, Tennessee: August 18, 1920

In the hot and muggy month of August 1920, a national drama brought its final and perhaps most spectacular act to Nashville. A year before on June 4, 1919, the U.S. Congress had voted to append thirty-nine words to the Constitution. Simple, straightforward words, but for all their brevity, they packed a punch. Nearly everyone who read them, or even heard about them, felt provoked to take a stand. Those thirty-nine words comprised the Nineteenth Amendment which, if ratified by thirty-six states, would give women the right to vote.

illustration of suffragist protesting By August 1920, when the issue was to come before the Tennessee State Legislature, the amendment was one state shy of ratification. Thirty-five states had passed it. Despite the mere sliver of a margin that blocked ratification, the Suffragists and their supporters knew victory was not inevitable. Indeed, the Anti-Suffragists had good reason to hope that if Tennessee failed to pass the Nineteenth Amendment, the "Perfect Thirty-Six" would never be realized and the law would die. What ensued was a "war of the roses," with its primary battle waged in Nashville during an oppressively hot August.

The town teemed with reporters from New York, Chicago, Washington, and Boston. Celebrities such as the national suffrage leader, Carrie Chapman Catt, traveled to Nashville to help spearhead the drive for ratification. She joined forces with one of the prominent Tennessee leaders, Anne Dallas Dudley, in organizing a strenuous female advocacy. Tennessee women from rural and urban backgrounds, different social photo of Mr. Guilford Dudley classes, and different races worked together in writing letters, making speeches, and canvassing legislators. Despite their diversity, they were united under a single symbol: the yellow rose. Yellow roses, in fact, were in vogue in Nashville that summer. But so were red roses--the flower of choice for the Anti-Suffragists. Even the legislators "showed their colors" by wearing roses on their lapels.

Counting the number of red roses worn by the representatives, the Suffragists knew they were in trouble for the pending vote on August 18. By the roses, it appeared the amendment would be defeated 47 for and 49 against. In the first roll call, however, Rep. Banks Turner came over to the Suffragist's side and the vote was deadlocked at 48 for and 48 against. The second roll was taken and the vote remained 48 to 48.

With wilted collars and frayed nerves, the legislators squared off for the third roll call. A blatant red rose on his breast, Harry Burn--the youngest member of the legislature--suddenly broke the deadlock. Despite his red rose, he voted in favor of the bill and the house erupted into pandemonium. With his "yea," Burn had delivered universal suffrage to all American women. The outraged opponents to the bill began chasing Representative Burn around the room. In order to escape the angry mob, Burn climbed out one of the third-floor windows of the Capitol. Making his way along a ledge, he was able to save himself by hiding in the Capitol attic.

When tempers had cooled, Burn was asked to explain the red rose on his lapel and his "yellow-rose" vote. He responded that while it was true he was wearing a red rose, what people couldn't see was that his breast pocket contained a telegram from his mother in East Tennessee. She urged him to do the right thing and vote in favor of the amendment. Governor A. H. Roberts signed the bill on August 24, 1920 and two days later, the Nineteenth Amendment became national law. One hundred and forty-four years after the Declaration of Independence, American women had earned the constitutional right to vote--thanks in large part to a woman named Febb Ensminger Burn and her son, Harry.

Text of 19th Amendment
More web resources on 19th amendment

by Cheryl Hiers

I love both of these quotes.

"The young women of todayfree to study, to speak, to write, to choose their occupation should remember that every inch of this freedom was bought for them at a great price... the debt that each generation owes to the past, it must pay to the future."
~ Abigail Scott Dunaway

"All honor to women, the first disenfranchised class in history who unaided by any political party, won enfranchisement by its own effort alone, and achieved the victory without the shedding of a drop of human blood."
~ Harriot Stanton Blatch

Psych Lit · Guru

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

He's since apologized ...
because HIS MOTHER called and told him he had to.

:::::::::blink::::::::::::: his mother?

boxdog1031 · Veteran Member

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

Psych Lit wrote:

MyCat8it wrote:

Psych Lit wrote:
id agree with that. tho the boycott would prolly give him more attention than he deserves. im more for the gordon who? plan:)

I don't watch this crap, so I have no idea who this guy is. I'm firmly entrenched in the Gordon Who? category.
uh huh. let me share that you arent missing much atall:)

He's since apologized ...
because HIS MOTHER called and told him he had to.

Well, seems his mother is about the only one with sense in this non-story. Folklore goes that's the way women finally got the vote here. A mothers note. Anyway, seems the "dyke pig" accepted whatever the apology was. In all it's seemingly disingenousity. (sic) That, to me, is the kicker. I'm just not of the school that accepts apologies simply because they're offered, not matter if they seem sincere or not. There really are things that cross the line and the only apology acceptable is to change the behavior. Not shift the spin.

Nightowlhoot3 · Guru

Psych Lit wrote:

MyCat8it wrote:

Psych Lit wrote:
id agree with that. tho the boycott would prolly give him more attention than he deserves. im more for the gordon who? plan:)

I don't watch this crap, so I have no idea who this guy is. I'm firmly entrenched in the Gordon Who? category.
uh huh. let me share that you arent missing much atall:)

He's since apologized ...
because HIS MOTHER called and told him he had to.

Psych Lit · Guru

MyCat8it wrote:

Psych Lit wrote:

id agree with that. tho the boycott would prolly give him more attention than he deserves. im more for the gordon who? plan:)

I don't watch this crap, so I have no idea who this guy is. I'm firmly entrenched in the Gordon Who? category.

uh huh. let me share that you arent missing much atall:)

Psych Lit · Guru

boxdog1031 wrote:

He's a bully, plain, simple, rude, offensive bully. To everyone. I saw the show, a piece of it here and there. This is now the time for the boycotts to ensue. If anyone ever made food and beverage distasteful it's this pig.
aint that the truth and yet hes got ratings? why is it that people like to sit and watch others get verbally abused?

MyCat8it · Senior Member

Psych Lit wrote:

id agree with that. tho the boycott would prolly give him more attention than he deserves. im more for the gordon who? plan:)

I don't watch this crap, so I have no idea who this guy is. I'm firmly entrenched in the Gordon Who? category.

Psych Lit · Guru

boxdog1031 wrote:

"We know Gordon Ramsay sets out to shock, but if what we're being told is true, we're very surprised," Williams said. "Frankly, although it's plainly a joke, it's out of order. Gordon has proved here that he doesn't need to be in the kitchen to create a nightmare."

this is the part that galls me. why is it ok to make jokes about lesbians? substitute any ethnicity in there and is it still acceptable?

A spokeswoman for Ramsay said the stunt was meant in fun.
"He really respects Tracy Grimshaw as a journalist. It was just a joke," Sarah Armstrong said. "She interviews him every time he comes to Australia. They have a great relationship."
Click here for the story at News.com.au.

He's a bully, plain, simple, rude, offensive bully. To everyone. I saw the show, a piece of it here and there. This is now the time for the boycotts to ensue. If anyone ever made food and beverage distasteful it's this pig.

id agree with that. tho the boycott would prolly give him more attention than he deserves. im more for the gordon who? plan:)

boxdog1031 · Veteran Member

Psych Lit wrote:

Reality TV Chef Gordon Ramsay Shocks Audience With 'Lesbian' Rant About Journalist
Sunday, June 07, 2009
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Gordon Ramsay
Foul-mouthed reality TV chef Gordon Ramsay has shocked a public audience by vilifying a high-profile Australian journalist in an obscene, sexist rant at one point claiming she is a lesbian.
The putrid tirade against Tracy Grimshaw which included references to her looks and sexuality and depictions of her as a pig shocked audiences who went to see the celebrity chef at the Good Food and Wine Show in Melbourne, Australia.
Ramsay told an audience of several thousand people that Grimshaw was "a lesbian," the Sunday Herald Sun reports.
When the crowd reacted with gasps, he said: "What? I'm not saying she's a d," using a slur for gay women.
Ramsay also showed a picture of a woman who appeared to be naked on her hands and knees with the features of a pig and multiple breasts.
"That's Tracy Grimshaw," he told the audience. "I had an interview with her yesterday. Holy crap. She needs to see Simon Cowell's Botox doctor."
Ramsay who later dismissed the comments as a joke went on with more innuendos about Grimshaw's sexual preference and activities.
The crude remarks did not impress Channel Nine chief executive David Gyngell, who phoned Ramsay to tell him they were inappropriate and that he had gone too far.
Just a year ago, the celebrity chef had been lauded as the network's savior, with his programs "Hell's Kitchen" and "Kitchen Nightmares" doing well in the ratings.
Mandy Saunders was at the food expo with her two children and elderly mother.
"I couldn't believe what I was seeing and hearing it was disgusting," Saunders said. "The show is meant for families. That was way out of order."
Anthony Kavroulas was also in the audience at Ramsay's performance.
"What can I say? It was totally sexist," Kavroulas said.
Women's groups also expressed their disgust, saying it was wrong that Ramsay was making money by comparing women to animals.
Melinda Tankard Reist, from Women's Forum Australia, said Ramsay's sponsors should dump him and he should leave Australia.
"Ramsay's sexist and demeaning actions are offensive to every Australian woman," Reist said.
"Why should he get paid for depicting a woman as an animal and publicly deriding her looks? He shouldn't be making money through the verbal abuse of women.
"Gordon Ramsay is no longer welcome here. The sponsors of his trip should immediately remove their support and send him packing."
LG, a major sponsor of the Good Food and Wine Show, declined comment on the incident.
Ramsay appeared on Nine's "A Current Affair" and was interviewed by Tracy Grimshaw on Friday night.
During the interview, he commented on Grimshaw's facial mole, asking: "Is that a wart? It looks like your little sister's on your lip."
Grimshaw appeared to take that remark well.
But "A Current Affair" executive producer Grant Williams said yesterday the chef had gone too far and he should stick to cooking and lay off the comedy.
"We know Gordon Ramsay sets out to shock, but if what we're being told is true, we're very surprised," Williams said. "Frankly, although it's plainly a joke, it's out of order. Gordon has proved here that he doesn't need to be in the kitchen to create a nightmare."
A spokeswoman for Ramsay said the stunt was meant in fun.
"He really respects Tracy Grimshaw as a journalist. It was just a joke," Sarah Armstrong said. "She interviews him every time he comes to Australia. They have a great relationship."
Click here for the story at News.com.au.

He's a bully, plain, simple, rude, offensive bully. To everyone. I saw the show, a piece of it here and there. This is now the time for the boycotts to ensue. If anyone ever made food and beverage distasteful it's this pig.

Psych Lit · Guru

Reality TV Chef Gordon Ramsay Shocks Audience With 'Lesbian' Rant About Journalist

Sunday, June 07, 2009

Print
ShareThis

AP

Gordon Ramsay

Foul-mouthed reality TV chef Gordon Ramsay has shocked a public audience by vilifying a high-profile Australian journalist in an obscene, sexist rant at one point claiming she is a lesbian.

The putrid tirade against Tracy Grimshaw which included references to her looks and sexuality and depictions of her as a pig shocked audiences who went to see the celebrity chef at the Good Food and Wine Show in Melbourne, Australia.

Ramsay told an audience of several thousand people that Grimshaw was "a lesbian," the Sunday Herald Sun reports.

When the crowd reacted with gasps, he said: "What? I'm not saying she's a d," using a slur for gay women.

Ramsay also showed a picture of a woman who appeared to be naked on her hands and knees with the features of a pig and multiple breasts.

"That's Tracy Grimshaw," he told the audience. "I had an interview with her yesterday. Holy crap. She needs to see Simon Cowell's Botox doctor."

Ramsay who later dismissed the comments as a joke went on with more innuendos about Grimshaw's sexual preference and activities.

The crude remarks did not impress Channel Nine chief executive David Gyngell, who phoned Ramsay to tell him they were inappropriate and that he had gone too far.

Just a year ago, the celebrity chef had been lauded as the network's savior, with his programs "Hell's Kitchen" and "Kitchen Nightmares" doing well in the ratings.

Mandy Saunders was at the food expo with her two children and elderly mother.

"I couldn't believe what I was seeing and hearing it was disgusting," Saunders said. "The show is meant for families. That was way out of order."

Anthony Kavroulas was also in the audience at Ramsay's performance.

"What can I say? It was totally sexist," Kavroulas said.

Women's groups also expressed their disgust, saying it was wrong that Ramsay was making money by comparing women to animals.

Melinda Tankard Reist, from Women's Forum Australia, said Ramsay's sponsors should dump him and he should leave Australia.

"Ramsay's sexist and demeaning actions are offensive to every Australian woman," Reist said.
"Why should he get paid for depicting a woman as an animal and publicly deriding her looks? He shouldn't be making money through the verbal abuse of women.

"Gordon Ramsay is no longer welcome here. The sponsors of his trip should immediately remove their support and send him packing."

LG, a major sponsor of the Good Food and Wine Show, declined comment on the incident.

Ramsay appeared on Nine's "A Current Affair" and was interviewed by Tracy Grimshaw on Friday night.

During the interview, he commented on Grimshaw's facial mole, asking: "Is that a wart? It looks like your little sister's on your lip."

Grimshaw appeared to take that remark well.

But "A Current Affair" executive producer Grant Williams said yesterday the chef had gone too far and he should stick to cooking and lay off the comedy.

"We know Gordon Ramsay sets out to shock, but if what we're being told is true, we're very surprised," Williams said. "Frankly, although it's plainly a joke, it's out of order. Gordon has proved here that he doesn't need to be in the kitchen to create a nightmare."

A spokeswoman for Ramsay said the stunt was meant in fun.

"He really respects Tracy Grimshaw as a journalist. It was just a joke," Sarah Armstrong said. "She interviews him every time he comes to Australia. They have a great relationship."

Click here for the story at News.com.au.