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I absolutely believe these to be either huge misunderstandings, outright lies or at minimum the exception to the rule.

im thinking exception to the rule but i think the exceptions are fueled by a lack of diversity training or perhaps who you run into when youre in that setting. that shouldnt be tho. if this had been a het couple it probably wouldnt have happened. and certainly i dont think its limited to florida. when i went to the hospital by ambulance last year they wouldnt give gf any info or even confirm that i was there. they also wouldnt give my boss any info when she called but did confirm that i was there and when my son called they did give him complete info and that was here in the blue states. the best experiences ive had around this was during the time i lived in the near midwest. i spent a lot of time in hospitals with my then partner both when we were together and after the breakup when they dicovered that she had cancer. the hospital staff there was wonderful, taking my pager numer and cell number to call me, letting me sit with her all the way up to getting wheeled in and allowing me in the recovery area with her when she returned. one nurse even said give her a kiss for luck before taking her into surgery. fairness happens tho when you get the same result all the time and thats why these things are important.



I have walked in and out of a dozen or more hospitals in Florida. Unless there is an explicit wish by the patient, guardian, DCF or the Courts anyone may visit.

i think anyone can visit a patient who is in a regular room during regular visiting hours but only certain family members can visit the icu. least thats the way it is in these parts. the no kid under 14 is a good rule under normal circumstances but id think allowances might be made in the case of a dying parent at least a short visit to say goodbye. its interesting tho that they did allow her sister to go into the icu and spend time with her. i suppose nobody asks for bith certs to assure that they are indeed siblings and that is one obvious way around this but it really shouldnt be necessary.


Maybe their lawyer should check with the Florida Hospital Association before they chase that ambulance. It doesn't help the "gay agenda" either, not really. Not to misrepresent the percentage or times this happens. The partner bringing suit against the hospital is a Social Worker. I probably don't have to say anything more than that for you to know where that point is going. 

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Ms. Langbehn says that a hospital social worker informed her that she was in an antigay city and state and that she would need a health care proxy to get information. (The worker denies having made the statement, Mr. Alonso said.) As the social worker turned to leave, Ms. Langbehn stopped him. I said: Wait a minute. I have those health care proxies,  she said. She called a friend to fax the papers.

My ex's mother died at Jackson Memorial. I assure you, under no circumstance is that hospital or the surrounding community "anti gay". The friend that left me his Tracker before leaving for Europe was in a very longtime relationship with the administrator there. Both those gentlemen are highly regarded and "out" medical providers. These are NOT the cases that will benefit the community, not at all.

Terri again, I'm ticked off.



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for everyone who thinks the bad days are behind us and that discrimination no longer exists a reminder. and these women thought they were prepared and had the legal documents understood to be necessary to prevent this from happening.

Kept From a Dying Partners Bedside

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Karie Hamilton for The New York Times

Aggrieved Janice Langbehn, with her children, Danielle, 15; David, 13; and Katie, 12 (back to camera), has sued the hospital that treated her partner.

Published: May 18, 2009

When a loved one is in the hospital, you naturally want to be at the bedside. But what if the staff wont allow it?

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Thats what Janice Langbehn, a social worker in Lacey, Wash., says she experienced when her partner of 18 years, Lisa Pond, collapsed with an aneurysm during a Florida vacation and was taken to a Miami trauma center. She died there, at age 39, as Ms. Langbehn tried in vain to persuade hospital officials to let her visit, along with the couples adopted children.

I have this deep sense of failure for not being at Lisas bedside when she died, Ms. Langbehn said. How I get over that I dont know, or if I ever do.

The case, now the subject of a federal lawsuit in Florida, is being watched by gay rights groups, which say same-sex partners often report being excluded from a patients room because they arent real family members.

And lawyers say the case could affect the way hospitals treat all patients with nonmarital relationships, including older people who choose not to marry, unmarried heterosexual couples and single people who rely on the support of close friends rather than relatives.

One point of contention in the lawsuit is whether a hospital has a legal duty to its patients to always give visiting rights to their designated family members and surrogates.

Robert Alonso, a spokesman for the public trust that runs the Miami hospital, Jackson Memorial, said it typically did not comment on pending litigation, but added that the hospital grants visitation if it doesnt interfere with other emergency care. The primary legal point is that the amount of visitation allowed in a trauma emergency room should be decided by the surgeons and nurses treating the patients, he said.

A similar lawsuit is under way in Washington State, where Sharon Reed says she was denied access to her partner of 17 years, Jo Ann Ritchie, who was dying of liver failure. Although the hospital had liberal visitation policies, a night nurse from an employment agency insisted that Ms. Reed leave her partners room, the lawsuit says.

One of the things her partner said to her was, Im afraid of dying. Dont leave me alone,  said Judith A. Lonnquist, a lawyer for Ms. Reed. Thats why the suffering was so enormous she felt as if her partner was thinking she had betrayed her trust.

In both cases, the couples had prepared for a medical emergency, creating living wills, advanced directives and power-of-attorney documents.

As recounted by Ms. Langbehn, the details of the Miami episode are harrowing. It began in February 2007, when the family including three children, then ages 9, 11 and 13 traveled there for a cruise. After boarding the ship, Ms. Pond collapsed while taking pictures of the children playing basketball.

The children managed to help her back to the familys room. Fortunately, the ship was still docked, and an ambulance took Ms. Pond to the Ryder Trauma Center at Jackson Memorial. Ms. Langbehn and the children followed in a taxi, arriving around 3:30 p.m.

Ms. Langbehn says that a hospital social worker informed her that she was in an antigay city and state and that she would need a health care proxy to get information. (The worker denies having made the statement, Mr. Alonso said.) As the social worker turned to leave, Ms. Langbehn stopped him. I said: Wait a minute. I have those health care proxies,  she said. She called a friend to fax the papers.

The medical chart shows that the documents arrived around 4:15 p.m., but nobody immediately spoke to Ms. Langbehn about Ms. Ponds condition. During her eight-hour stay in the trauma unit waiting room, Ms. Langbehn says, she had two brief encounters with doctors. Around 5:20 a doctor sought her consent for a brain monitor but offered no update about the patients condition. Around 6:20, two doctors told her there was no hope for a recovery.

Despite repeated requests to see her partner, Ms. Langbehn says she was given just one five-minute visit, when a priest administered last rites. She says she continued to plead with a hospital worker that the children be allowed to see their mother, even showing the childrens birth certificates.

I said to the receptionist, Look, theyre her kids,  Ms. Langbehn said. (Mr. Alonso, the hospital spokesman, says that except in special circumstances, children under 14 are not allowed to visit in the trauma unit.)

Ms. Langbehn says she was repeatedly told to keep waiting. Then, at 11:30 p.m., Ms. Ponds sister arrived at the unit. According to the lawsuit, the hospital workers immediately told her that Ms. Pond had been moved an hour earlier to the intensive care unit and provided her room number.

At midnight, Ms. Langbehn says, her exhausted children were finally able to visit their unconscious mother. Ms. Pond was declared brain-dead at 10:45 that morning, and her heart, kidneys and liver were donated to four patients.

In her lawsuit, Ms. Langbehn is being represented by Lambda Legal, a gay rights group. We want to send a message to hospitals, said Beth Littrell, a lawyer for the group. If they dont treat families as such, if they dont let patients define their own circle of intimacy and give them the dignity and care to be with their loved ones in this sort of crisis, then they will be held accountable.

Join the discussion at nytimes.com/well.


I absolutely believe these to be either huge misunderstandings, outright lies or at minimum the exception to the rule. I have walked in and out of a dozen or more hospitals in Florida. Unless there is an explicit wish by the patient, guardian, DCF or the Courts anyone may visit. Yes, there are tighter restrictions in such areas of hospitals that may be infectious concerns, in either direction and certainly for the protection of patient and visitor in psychiatric settings. There are requests made of visitors that may seem unreasonable while still in the best interest of the patient and the caregivers. Seriously, I'm very concerned that an exceptional situation every now and again is made to seem like such a massive issue. Too, it could be shown on the hetero and friends side as well. I don't really think this issue is a "issue."  I feel badly, at face value, for what seems as a terribly insensitive handling of a family in crisis. Considering there are thousands of daily admissions in this state I would strongly discourage anyone from going all emo. There are more than two sides to every story, I guarantee the hospitals side will likely not be made available, it's just not nearly as titillating as the alternative. Maybe their lawyer should check with the Florida Hospital Association before they chase that ambulance. It doesn't help the "gay agenda" either, not really. Not to misrepresent the percentage or times this happens. The partner bringing suit against the hospital is a Social Worker. I probably don't have to say anything more than that for you to know where that point is going. 

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for everyone who thinks the bad days are behind us and that discrimination no longer exists a reminder. and these women thought they were prepared and had the legal documents understood to be necessary to prevent this from happening.

Kept From a Dying Partners Bedside

19well-600.jpg
Karie Hamilton for The New York Times

Aggrieved Janice Langbehn, with her children, Danielle, 15; David, 13; and Katie, 12 (back to camera), has sued the hospital that treated her partner.

Published: May 18, 2009

When a loved one is in the hospital, you naturally want to be at the bedside. But what if the staff wont allow it?

Skip to next paragraph

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Thats what Janice Langbehn, a social worker in Lacey, Wash., says she experienced when her partner of 18 years, Lisa Pond, collapsed with an aneurysm during a Florida vacation and was taken to a Miami trauma center. She died there, at age 39, as Ms. Langbehn tried in vain to persuade hospital officials to let her visit, along with the couples adopted children.

I have this deep sense of failure for not being at Lisas bedside when she died, Ms. Langbehn said. How I get over that I dont know, or if I ever do.

The case, now the subject of a federal lawsuit in Florida, is being watched by gay rights groups, which say same-sex partners often report being excluded from a patients room because they arent real family members.

And lawyers say the case could affect the way hospitals treat all patients with nonmarital relationships, including older people who choose not to marry, unmarried heterosexual couples and single people who rely on the support of close friends rather than relatives.

One point of contention in the lawsuit is whether a hospital has a legal duty to its patients to always give visiting rights to their designated family members and surrogates.

Robert Alonso, a spokesman for the public trust that runs the Miami hospital, Jackson Memorial, said it typically did not comment on pending litigation, but added that the hospital grants visitation if it doesnt interfere with other emergency care. The primary legal point is that the amount of visitation allowed in a trauma emergency room should be decided by the surgeons and nurses treating the patients, he said.

A similar lawsuit is under way in Washington State, where Sharon Reed says she was denied access to her partner of 17 years, Jo Ann Ritchie, who was dying of liver failure. Although the hospital had liberal visitation policies, a night nurse from an employment agency insisted that Ms. Reed leave her partners room, the lawsuit says.

One of the things her partner said to her was, Im afraid of dying. Dont leave me alone,  said Judith A. Lonnquist, a lawyer for Ms. Reed. Thats why the suffering was so enormous she felt as if her partner was thinking she had betrayed her trust.

In both cases, the couples had prepared for a medical emergency, creating living wills, advanced directives and power-of-attorney documents.

As recounted by Ms. Langbehn, the details of the Miami episode are harrowing. It began in February 2007, when the family including three children, then ages 9, 11 and 13 traveled there for a cruise. After boarding the ship, Ms. Pond collapsed while taking pictures of the children playing basketball.

The children managed to help her back to the familys room. Fortunately, the ship was still docked, and an ambulance took Ms. Pond to the Ryder Trauma Center at Jackson Memorial. Ms. Langbehn and the children followed in a taxi, arriving around 3:30 p.m.

Ms. Langbehn says that a hospital social worker informed her that she was in an antigay city and state and that she would need a health care proxy to get information. (The worker denies having made the statement, Mr. Alonso said.) As the social worker turned to leave, Ms. Langbehn stopped him. I said: Wait a minute. I have those health care proxies,  she said. She called a friend to fax the papers.

The medical chart shows that the documents arrived around 4:15 p.m., but nobody immediately spoke to Ms. Langbehn about Ms. Ponds condition. During her eight-hour stay in the trauma unit waiting room, Ms. Langbehn says, she had two brief encounters with doctors. Around 5:20 a doctor sought her consent for a brain monitor but offered no update about the patients condition. Around 6:20, two doctors told her there was no hope for a recovery.

Despite repeated requests to see her partner, Ms. Langbehn says she was given just one five-minute visit, when a priest administered last rites. She says she continued to plead with a hospital worker that the children be allowed to see their mother, even showing the childrens birth certificates.

I said to the receptionist, Look, theyre her kids,  Ms. Langbehn said. (Mr. Alonso, the hospital spokesman, says that except in special circumstances, children under 14 are not allowed to visit in the trauma unit.)

Ms. Langbehn says she was repeatedly told to keep waiting. Then, at 11:30 p.m., Ms. Ponds sister arrived at the unit. According to the lawsuit, the hospital workers immediately told her that Ms. Pond had been moved an hour earlier to the intensive care unit and provided her room number.

At midnight, Ms. Langbehn says, her exhausted children were finally able to visit their unconscious mother. Ms. Pond was declared brain-dead at 10:45 that morning, and her heart, kidneys and liver were donated to four patients.

In her lawsuit, Ms. Langbehn is being represented by Lambda Legal, a gay rights group. We want to send a message to hospitals, said Beth Littrell, a lawyer for the group. If they dont treat families as such, if they dont let patients define their own circle of intimacy and give them the dignity and care to be with their loved ones in this sort of crisis, then they will be held accountable.

Join the discussion at nytimes.com/well.

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