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Nightowlhoot3 · Guru

RE: This swine flu thing

Date: Fri May 8 12:55 PM, 2009

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

Psych Lit wrote:

they never sent me a bill btw. lol. maybe they are still looking for me?

SPEAKING OF BILLS ...

I was so mad yesterday at QWest, I loaded my Mom up in the car, and took her to the nearest "Cricket" store and made her get one of their cell phones, and tell Qwest to ... well, you can fill in the blank.

I GET that they've merged with Verizon, and want everyone to switch over, but for crying out loud!

Mom has always had her phone bill set up on automatic deduction from her checking account. YESTERDAY, her cell phone is disconnected -- CUT OFF, and she's getting these PHONE CALLS about money owed. $83 total. And is it from Qwest? Oh, HELL no! It's from a damn COLLECTION AGENCY! Why?? Well, if it's not on the SCRIPT those college kids are following, you can't really find out, but the company line is "You didn't pay your April phone bill." This, on MAY 5!!! COLLECTION AGENCY! "But I didn't GET an April phone bill!" "Doesn't matter." So they CUT OFF this 82 year old woman's ONLY phone. I was livid. I know automation enhances our lives more often than not, but sometimes the "not" makes you wonder, if only for a moment, if it's worth it.

De-regulation notwithstanding, it still holds true in some cases:

"We don't care. We don't have to -- we're the phone company"

-- Edited by Nightowlhoot3 on Thursday 7th of May 2009 07:06:03 AM

I think I've read of QWest having a terrible reputation. Bear that in mind for yourself when selecting high speed options. That said, file a complaint on your Moms behalf with your states Dept of Prof Regulation. The state needs to be made aware of such practices, they are likely illegal. The "predatory" collection efforts, at minimum, should be stopped.

Come to think of it, it may not have even been legitamite collectors acting on behalf of the carrier. Could be part of a scam.

Contact your State Attorney General. I think I recall you residing in Arizona?

http://www.azag.gov/consumer/

Psych Lit · Guru

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

SPEAKING OF BILLS ...

I was so mad yesterday at QWest, I loaded my Mom up in the car, and took her to the nearest "Cricket" store and made her get one of their cell phones, and tell Qwest to ... well, you can fill in the blank.

you would think they would take the opportunity to switch people over on their own in the case of a merger. what a lost opportunity for customer service. and then there is the contract aspect of this. they enforce contracts from the customer end. you have to sign the contract as a condition of service but they are allowed to break the contract any time they wish. whats that about?

Mom has always had her phone bill set up on automatic deduction from her checking account. YESTERDAY, her cell phone is disconnected -- CUT OFF, and she's getting these PHONE CALLS about money owed. $83 total. And is it from Qwest? Oh, HELL no! It's from a damn COLLECTION AGENCY! Why?? Well, if it's not on the SCRIPT those college kids are following, you can't really find out, but the company line is "You didn't pay your April phone bill." This, on MAY 5!!! COLLECTION AGENCY! "But I didn't GET an April phone bill!" "Doesn't matter." So they CUT OFF this 82 year old woman's ONLY phone. I was livid. I know automation enhances our lives more often than not, but sometimes the "not" makes you wonder, if only for a moment, if it's worth it.

De-regulation notwithstanding, it still holds true in some cases:

"We don't care. We don't have to -- we're the phone company"

lol. aint that the truth.

-- Edited by Nightowlhoot3 on Thursday 7th of May 2009 07:06:03 AM

Nightowlhoot3 · Guru

Psych Lit wrote:

they never sent me a bill btw. lol. maybe they are still looking for me?

SPEAKING OF BILLS ...

I was so mad yesterday at QWest, I loaded my Mom up in the car, and took her to the nearest "Cricket" store and made her get one of their cell phones, and tell Qwest to ... well, you can fill in the blank.

I GET that they've merged with Verizon, and want everyone to switch over, but for crying out loud!

Mom has always had her phone bill set up on automatic deduction from her checking account. YESTERDAY, her cell phone is disconnected -- CUT OFF, and she's getting these PHONE CALLS about money owed. $83 total. And is it from Qwest? Oh, HELL no! It's from a damn COLLECTION AGENCY! Why?? Well, if it's not on the SCRIPT those college kids are following, you can't really find out, but the company line is "You didn't pay your April phone bill." This, on MAY 5!!! COLLECTION AGENCY! "But I didn't GET an April phone bill!" "Doesn't matter." So they CUT OFF this 82 year old woman's ONLY phone. I was livid. I know automation enhances our lives more often than not, but sometimes the "not" makes you wonder, if only for a moment, if it's worth it.

De-regulation notwithstanding, it still holds true in some cases:

"We don't care. We don't have to -- we're the phone company"

-- Edited by Nightowlhoot3 on Thursday 7th of May 2009 07:06:03 AM

Psych Lit · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

We call it the yearly crud here. Glad all are better. I had a sore throat a few days ago, which I never get but, was able to knock it out quick. It is either you or the kid Mary ;) Gator
lol, crud is an apt description. the kid was the tail end. my sons gf was the first and she was babysitting when we went out over the weekend. she was fine in the afternoon. this stuff comes on quick and happily ends quickly

Date: Tue May 5 5:05 PM, 2009

Psych Lit wrote:

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

I think the important thing is to keep our perspective about this swine flu -- not easy, of course, when we're bombarded with pictures of people wearing masks, and "pandemic" pervading ordinary conversation, but the important thing to remember, at least so it feels to me, is that right now, it's all "theory" and that yeah, flu is bad, but ... we've been living with it for a long long time now.

and its hard to know what to do. weve got some sort of flu going on in the house but i really dont think its this swine one. more like that 24 hour grippe thing that used to plague me once a year when it was a 24 hour a day puke a thon til it ran its course and there are no respiratory aspects. i think we are on the good end of things now. its been quiet for a few hours:) im the only one who isnt sitting vigil with the barf bucket tho i did have a queasy tummy for a few days last week. mebbe im the typhoid mary here. eek

We call it the yearly crud here. Glad all are better. I had a sore throat a few days ago, which I never get but, was able to knock it out quick. It is either you or the kid Mary ;) Gator

Psych Lit · Guru

btw did anyone notice that mexico revised the figures for their flu infections and deaths and determined that most of those first reported were not from the flu. they also revised the deaths from the flu. what they didnt speculate on tho was what it was that made the others sick and caused the other deaths. i wonder if there is another shoe yet to fall?

Psych Lit · Guru

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

I think the important thing is to keep our perspective about this swine flu -- not easy, of course, when we're bombarded with pictures of people wearing masks, and "pandemic" pervading ordinary conversation, but the important thing to remember, at least so it feels to me, is that right now, it's all "theory" and that yeah, flu is bad, but ... we've been living with it for a long long time now.

and its hard to know what to do. weve got some sort of flu going on in the house but i really dont think its this swine one. more like that 24 hour grippe thing that used to plague me once a year when it was a 24 hour a day puke a thon til it ran its course and there are no respiratory aspects. i think we are on the good end of things now. its been quiet for a few hours:) im the only one who isnt sitting vigil with the barf bucket tho i did have a queasy tummy for a few days last week. mebbe im the typhoid mary here. eek

Psych Lit · Guru

nesea wrote:

The most stunning statistic, however, is that the total number of deaths caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US. (By contrast, the number of deaths attributable to heart disease in 2001 was 699,697, while the number of deaths attributable to cancer was 553,251.5)

http://www.webdc.com/pdfs/deathbymedicine.pdf

thats quite alarming tho not really surprising given my experience with the health care system last year. that was pretty scary. all i could think about was geez if im having a heart attack im going to be on the 11pm news as the woman who died waiting in the er waiting room. they never sent me a bill btw. lol. maybe they are still looking for me?

Psych Lit · Guru

boxdog1031 wrote:

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/key_facts.htm

Here's what the CDC has. In lay terms. As for the reports coming from Mexico? Unfortunately I, again, have to look the cynic, but Calderon reporting accurate numbers of afflicted or dead would be as likely as Aruba opening a tourist bureau in Alabama and offering a jobto Natalie Holloways mother. Tourism in Mexico is dead. Hopefully. I am in awe that Americans, despite the "cheap" cruises and ease of border crossing for "fun", would continue to make plans there after the US Military forbade our own troops from crossing over for fun, r&r. That should speak volumes. It didn't. I now have this picture in my head of a Mexican family standing at the border looking back and forth singing "which way do I go, which way do I go..."

did joe write that memo? lol.

biden, lieberman or the plumber?

lol coulda been all 3 tho different reasons for doing so. biden tho is who i was talking about. i hear he took the train the other day tho. i think someone slapped him for his candor.

boxdog1031 · Veteran Member

Psych Lit wrote:

boxdog1031 wrote:

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/key_facts.htm

Here's what the CDC has. In lay terms. As for the reports coming from Mexico? Unfortunately I, again, have to look the cynic, but Calderon reporting accurate numbers of afflicted or dead would be as likely as Aruba opening a tourist bureau in Alabama and offering a jobto Natalie Holloways mother. Tourism in Mexico is dead. Hopefully. I am in awe that Americans, despite the "cheap" cruises and ease of border crossing for "fun", would continue to make plans there after the US Military forbade our own troops from crossing over for fun, r&r. That should speak volumes. It didn't. I now have this picture in my head of a Mexican family standing at the border looking back and forth singing "which way do I go, which way do I go..."

did joe write that memo? lol.

biden, lieberman or the plumber?

nesea · Senior Member

Psych Lit wrote:

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

You know, I think it's good to keep in mind that this is, and has LONG BEEN flu season. I don't know about your states, but here in Arizona, about 20% of us get the flu annually... and about 700 die from it. That's just the plain old flu.

That said: we share a border with Mexico, and yet have had only four documented cases of the "swine flu" thus far, and all four were MILD cases.

I think the important thing is to keep our perspective about this swine flu -- not easy, of course, when we're bombarded with pictures of people wearing masks, and "pandemic" pervading ordinary conversation, but the important thing to remember, at least so it feels to me, is that right now, it's all "theory" and that yeah, flu is bad, but ... we've been living with it for a long long time now.
other flu strains have tended to hit the elderly and infants and 36,000 deaths a year is apparently an acceptable number when it comes to the flu. im bothered by that. i think part of the difference here has to do with the age of those who have died and the value judgements that surround that.

It's downright amazing what the public finds acceptable .........

Death by Medicine By Gary Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; and Dorothy Smith, PhD

Something is wrong when regulatory agencies pretend that vitamins are dangerous, yet ignore published statistics showing that government-sanctioned medicine is the real hazard.

Until now, Life Extension could cite only isolated statistics to make its case about the dangers of conventional medicine. No one had ever analyzed and combined ALL of the published literature dealing with injuries and deaths caused by government-protected medicine. That has now changed.

A group of researchers meticulously reviewed the statistical evidence and their findings are absolutely shocking.4 These researchers have authored a paper titled "Death by Medicine" that presents compelling evidence that todays system frequently causes more harm than good.

This fully referenced report shows the number of people having in-hospital, adverse reactions to prescribed drugs to be 2.2 million per year. The number of unnecessary antibiotics prescribed annually for viral infections is 20 million per year. The number of unnecessary medical and surgical procedures performed annually is 7.5 million per year. The number of people exposed to unnecessary hospitalization annually is 8.9 million per year.

The most stunning statistic, however, is that the total number of deaths caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US. (By contrast, the number of deaths attributable to heart disease in 2001 was 699,697, while the number of deaths attributable to cancer was 553,251.5)

http://www.webdc.com/pdfs/deathbymedicine.pdf

Psych Lit · Guru

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

You know, I think it's good to keep in mind that this is, and has LONG BEEN flu season. I don't know about your states, but here in Arizona, about 20% of us get the flu annually... and about 700 die from it. That's just the plain old flu.

That said: we share a border with Mexico, and yet have had only four documented cases of the "swine flu" thus far, and all four were MILD cases.

I think the important thing is to keep our perspective about this swine flu -- not easy, of course, when we're bombarded with pictures of people wearing masks, and "pandemic" pervading ordinary conversation, but the important thing to remember, at least so it feels to me, is that right now, it's all "theory" and that yeah, flu is bad, but ... we've been living with it for a long long time now.
other flu strains have tended to hit the elderly and infants and 36,000 deaths a year is apparently an acceptable number when it comes to the flu. im bothered by that. i think part of the difference here has to do with the age of those who have died and the value judgements that surround that.

Psych Lit · Guru

boxdog1031 wrote:

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/key_facts.htm

Here's what the CDC has. In lay terms. As for the reports coming from Mexico? Unfortunately I, again, have to look the cynic, but Calderon reporting accurate numbers of afflicted or dead would be as likely as Aruba opening a tourist bureau in Alabama and offering a jobto Natalie Holloways mother. Tourism in Mexico is dead. Hopefully. I am in awe that Americans, despite the "cheap" cruises and ease of border crossing for "fun", would continue to make plans there after the US Military forbade our own troops from crossing over for fun, r&r. That should speak volumes. It didn't. I now have this picture in my head of a Mexican family standing at the border looking back and forth singing "which way do I go, which way do I go..."

did joe write that memo? lol.

Nightowlhoot3 · Guru

Psych Lit wrote:

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

Three more cases here today ... one school closed.

I heard it's slowed down in Mexico. Maybe the worst is behind us.

apparently there are many schools closed around the country. i wish the cdc would be a bit more directive here as far as vaccine production goes. if it takes months to get this through production to the people then whats the delay about? if this pops up again during the next flu season then what? and what about the bottom half of the world where it is the beginning of flu season? i suppose we have to trust that there are good reasons for the delays here but im so really hoping its not a cost/ benefit how many dead people is acceptable analysis thing.

You know, I think it's good to keep in mind that this is, and has LONG BEEN flu season. I don't know about your states, but here in Arizona, about 20% of us get the flu annually... and about 700 die from it. That's just the plain old flu.

That said: we share a border with Mexico, and yet have had only four documented cases of the "swine flu" thus far, and all four were MILD cases.

I think the important thing is to keep our perspective about this swine flu -- not easy, of course, when we're bombarded with pictures of people wearing masks, and "pandemic" pervading ordinary conversation, but the important thing to remember, at least so it feels to me, is that right now, it's all "theory" and that yeah, flu is bad, but ... we've been living with it for a long long time now.

boxdog1031 · Veteran Member

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/key_facts.htm

Here's what the CDC has. In lay terms. As for the reports coming from Mexico? Unfortunately I, again, have to look the cynic, but Calderon reporting accurate numbers of afflicted or dead would be as likely as Aruba opening a tourist bureau in Alabama and offering a jobto Natalie Holloways mother. Tourism in Mexico is dead. Hopefully. I am in awe that Americans, despite the "cheap" cruises and ease of border crossing for "fun", would continue to make plans there after the US Military forbade our own troops from crossing over for fun, r&r. That should speak volumes. It didn't. I now have this picture in my head of a Mexican family standing at the border looking back and forth singing "which way do I go, which way do I go..."

Psych Lit · Guru

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

Three more cases here today ... one school closed.

I heard it's slowed down in Mexico. Maybe the worst is behind us.

apparently there are many schools closed around the country. i wish the cdc would be a bit more directive here as far as vaccine production goes. if it takes months to get this through production to the people then whats the delay about? if this pops up again during the next flu season then what? and what about the bottom half of the world where it is the beginning of flu season? i suppose we have to trust that there are good reasons for the delays here but im so really hoping its not a cost/ benefit how many dead people is acceptable analysis thing.

Nightowlhoot3 · Guru

Three more cases here today ... one school closed.

I heard it's slowed down in Mexico. Maybe the worst is behind us.

Nightowlhoot3 · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

Meanwhile, I see all the "911 happened because God lifted His veil of protection, because America allows gays, and feminists, and the ACLU" people are not saying much about THIS problem ... seems it hit not only California (which just recently voted to make marriage between a man and woman only) but also a religious school in some other state. You can be darned sure though, that if this had happened to California BEFORE prop 8 had passed, they'd be screaming from the bleachers about now, about how it's "God's wrath."

<huge fan of that "selective reasoning" thang> heh.

Hopefully that school of thought is dying off. Literally.

Yeah, I'd sort of allowed myself to drift to a place where I believed that as well, and then I found myself in an online venue where that sort of thinking is encouraged and nurtured, and the most vile stuff seems to be coming from the keyboards of the twenty-somethings. It's still there, and it's still strong. Apparently, for some, there are only about three passages from the Bible one needs to even notice.

Psych Lit · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

Hopefully that school of thought is dying off. Literally. I think and, sometimes worry about the state of things and, convinced myself while driving today that all those pig organs / valves (Barbara Bush recently) are part of a problem and, the risk associated with these transplants. Frontline is on it as usual. :) anyone else like to watch frontline? Anyhoo it is interesting to read. No animal species parts for me please. Gator
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/organfarm/risks/

oh yeah i love frontline. i have to watch it online tho since its on at a time i never seem to be home. i was watching cnn headline news a few moments ago and they were attributing this to the treatment of animals raised for food and how these places pollute the surrounding areas with animal waste and how the raising of these animals creates great stress for them which makes them more apt to fall ill. i think theres a lot to be said for that way of thinking. i do think someday humanity will lookback at our practices and shudder

Psych Lit · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

It almost certainly will if a lot start taking tamiflu as a prophylactic. I would like to have some on hand just in case because, it seems there is already a mild run on it.

can you buy this without a prescription? i saw some homeopathic stuff in the store the other day and wondered if it was effective.

Hand sanitizer sales are exploding. I live with someone who is fraile and, I spray myself after being out in the public spray with lysol spray before coming in. The house isn't all sterile but, noting safer than ones own germs.

is this an airborne thing on its own or does it require some human vector?

lol A virus isn't all that fragile. It can live on a surface up to 14 hours and, this one particular can survive in water. What I read. On my way home I did stop at a vitamin store and, bought zince lozenges which I swear by and, you can not get in a drug store or mainstream pharmacy. I also bought elderberry syrup which is probally better support than a wine made from. :) Back to work...........ya'll have a great afternoon. Gator

yeah i have some zinc too. but im concentrating on a lot of hand and face washing whenever i leave my desk and return. the hand sanitizer thing weirds me out. i would think that gel substance would be a magnet for all sorts of crud. not immediately but once it dries, it leaves a sort of tacky residue on your hands which i would think would make all sorts of things stick?

Nightowlhoot3 · Guru

News doesn't seem to be getting much better ...

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"...Mexico, taking a drastic step as confirmed swine flu cases doubled to 99, including eight dead, announced it would temporarily suspend all nonessential activity of the federal government and private business from May 1-5. Essential services like transport, supermarkets, trash collection and hospitals will remain open.

New deaths finally seemed to be leveling off after an aggressive public health campaign in Mexico only one additional confirmed death was announced Wednesday night. But the World Health Organization said the global threat is nevertheless serious enough to ramp up efforts to produce a vaccine against the virus.

"It really is all of humanity that is under threat during a pandemic," WHO Director General Margaret Chan said in Geneva. "We do not have all the answers right now, but we will get them."

It was the first time the WHO had declared a Phase 5 outbreak, the second-highest on its threat scale, indicating a pandemic could be imminent."

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I'm not an alarmist about things like this, generally, but when the World Health Organization gets involved at this level it does get my attention...

-- Edited by Nightowlhoot3 on Wednesday 29th of April 2009 08:22:59 PM

Date: Wed Apr 29 4:53 PM, 2009

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Psych Lit wrote:

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

Kinda creepy, hunh.

So here's what I'm wondering -- how much good do those masks do, really? Yeah, I can see where they'd prevent someone wearing one from sneezing on you, but ... that's more for the protection of the OTHER person, right?

my understanding is that whatever flu shows up at the tail end of flu season usually is next falls full time flu. i wonder if this critter will be body building on tamiflu by then? for a fragile virus that isnt supposed to like heat and humdity it certainly seems to like new york heat. its exploding there and has already made its way into ct.

It almost certainly will if a lot start taking tamiflu as a prophylactic. I would like to have some on hand just in case because, it seems there is already a mild run on it. Hand sanitizer sales are exploding. I live with someone who is fraile and, I spray myself after being out in the public spray with lysol spray before coming in. The house isn't all sterile but, noting safer than ones own germs. lol A virus isn't all that fragile. It can live on a surface up to 14 hours and, this one particular can survive in water. What I read. On my way home I did stop at a vitamin store and, bought zince lozenges which I swear by and, you can not get in a drug store or mainstream pharmacy. I also bought elderberry syrup which is probally better support than a wine made from. :) Back to work...........ya'll have a great afternoon. Gator

I see Arnold has today declared a "state of emergency" in California. (Outbreak discovered there.)

Meanwhile, I see all the "911 happened because God lifted His veil of protection, because America allows gays, and feminists, and the ACLU" people are not saying much about THIS problem ... seems it hit not only California (which just recently voted to make marriage between a man and woman only) but also a religious school in some other state. You can be darned sure though, that if this had happened to California BEFORE prop 8 had passed, they'd be screaming from the bleachers about now, about how it's "God's wrath."

<huge fan of that "selective reasoning" thang> heh.

Hopefully that school of thought is dying off. Literally. I think and, sometimes worry about the state of things and, convinced myself while driving today that all those pig organs / valves (Barbara Bush recently) are part of a problem and, the risk associated with these transplants. Frontline is on it as usual. :) anyone else like to watch frontline? Anyhoo it is interesting to read. No animal species parts for me please. Gator
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/organfarm/risks/

Nightowlhoot3 · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

Psych Lit wrote:

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

Kinda creepy, hunh.

So here's what I'm wondering -- how much good do those masks do, really? Yeah, I can see where they'd prevent someone wearing one from sneezing on you, but ... that's more for the protection of the OTHER person, right?

my understanding is that whatever flu shows up at the tail end of flu season usually is next falls full time flu. i wonder if this critter will be body building on tamiflu by then? for a fragile virus that isnt supposed to like heat and humdity it certainly seems to like new york heat. its exploding there and has already made its way into ct.

It almost certainly will if a lot start taking tamiflu as a prophylactic. I would like to have some on hand just in case because, it seems there is already a mild run on it. Hand sanitizer sales are exploding. I live with someone who is fraile and, I spray myself after being out in the public spray with lysol spray before coming in. The house isn't all sterile but, noting safer than ones own germs. lol A virus isn't all that fragile. It can live on a surface up to 14 hours and, this one particular can survive in water. What I read. On my way home I did stop at a vitamin store and, bought zince lozenges which I swear by and, you can not get in a drug store or mainstream pharmacy. I also bought elderberry syrup which is probally better support than a wine made from. :) Back to work...........ya'll have a great afternoon. Gator

I see Arnold has today declared a "state of emergency" in California. (Outbreak discovered there.)

Meanwhile, I see all the "911 happened because God lifted His veil of protection, because America allows gays, and feminists, and the ACLU" people are not saying much about THIS problem ... seems it hit not only California (which just recently voted to make marriage between a man and woman only) but also a religious school in some other state. You can be darned sure though, that if this had happened to California BEFORE prop 8 had passed, they'd be screaming from the bleachers about now, about how it's "God's wrath."

<huge fan of that "selective reasoning" thang> heh.

Date: Wed Apr 29 9:56 AM, 2009

Psych Lit wrote:

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

Kinda creepy, hunh.

So here's what I'm wondering -- how much good do those masks do, really? Yeah, I can see where they'd prevent someone wearing one from sneezing on you, but ... that's more for the protection of the OTHER person, right?

my understanding is that whatever flu shows up at the tail end of flu season usually is next falls full time flu. i wonder if this critter will be body building on tamiflu by then? for a fragile virus that isnt supposed to like heat and humdity it certainly seems to like new york heat. its exploding there and has already made its way into ct.

It almost certainly will if a lot start taking tamiflu as a prophylactic. I would like to have some on hand just in case because, it seems there is already a mild run on it. Hand sanitizer sales are exploding. I live with someone who is fraile and, I spray myself after being out in the public spray with lysol spray before coming in. The house isn't all sterile but, noting safer than ones own germs. lol A virus isn't all that fragile. It can live on a surface up to 14 hours and, this one particular can survive in water. What I read. On my way home I did stop at a vitamin store and, bought zince lozenges which I swear by and, you can not get in a drug store or mainstream pharmacy. I also bought elderberry syrup which is probally better support than a wine made from. :) Back to work...........ya'll have a great afternoon. Gator

Psych Lit · Guru

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

Kinda creepy, hunh.

So here's what I'm wondering -- how much good do those masks do, really? Yeah, I can see where they'd prevent someone wearing one from sneezing on you, but ... that's more for the protection of the OTHER person, right?

my understanding is that whatever flu shows up at the tail end of flu season usually is next falls full time flu. i wonder if this critter will be body building on tamiflu by then? for a fragile virus that isnt supposed to like heat and humdity it certainly seems to like new york heat. its exploding there and has already made its way into ct.

Psych Lit · Guru

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

Kinda creepy, hunh.

So here's what I'm wondering -- how much good do those masks do, really? Yeah, I can see where they'd prevent someone wearing one from sneezing on you, but ... that's more for the protection of the OTHER person, right?

i think it would depend on the mask. some prolly work but i think its more important to wash your hands or use a hand sanitizer when youre out and about in the world. its easy to touch some surface out in the world and then scratch your eye or eat something with a hand and oops there ya go. or carry some wet ones in your backpack for washing grocery cart handles or telephones at work. i, a total germ phobe, carry a canister of clorox wipes in my bag. i wipe down the surfaces in the library, the table in the break room, my phone if anyone uses it. of couse this is my winter behavior not my summer behavior. i guess ill have to keep it going for a lil bit tho.

Nightowlhoot3 · Guru

Kinda creepy, hunh.

So here's what I'm wondering -- how much good do those masks do, really? Yeah, I can see where they'd prevent someone wearing one from sneezing on you, but ... that's more for the protection of the OTHER person, right?