Psych Lit wrote:

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Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

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MyCat8it wrote:

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I want to go wring the pope's neck and slap some sense into him.

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I think I'd pay good money to see you do that...

 

ditto

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And when you're finished with him, Cat, could you please take on that lunatic Kim in N. Korea?

Or maybe we should turn his care over to BD. I hear she "knows people."

North Korea War

 

 

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Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

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Sure, this guy is in jail, but for rape, right, not adultery.

What do they have to say about that?  It's a commandment just like murder.  Is one worth mentioning more than another?

 

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The snippet we have doesn't indicate, at all, what charge the man is jailed for. It simply states that as of a week or so ago he was in jail. He may be there for killing an Amazon Tree Frog. In many places endangered species garner more protection than women, women-children and little girls. Betcha too this poor child isn't the only minor in that "home". The way I see it, the pope can preach whatever HE wishes. If a grown man doesn't realize without being told otherwise that a nine year old child is not an appropriate surrogate sex partner then I do in fact wish him the death penalty. And I really want to use the fff word.

and also raping the 14 year old sibling? im thinking that the bobbit solution might be the way to go.

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Yep. It gets worse:

Article from: Agence France-Presse

Church to excommunicate abortion girl's mother, doctors

and yet no mention of excommunicating the step father for child rape? lovely.  i wonder if the local parish would actually allow this to happen? if so, may the coffers be empty the next time the basket gets passed.

come to think of it i dont think the priests who abused all of those children in the us were excommunicated either.

The case has sparked off fierce debate in Brazil, where abortion is illegal except in cases of rape or if the woman's health is in danger.

as well it should and hopefully this will lead to some changes.

He was arrested a week ago and is being kept in protective custody. If convicted, he faces up to 15 years in prison.

general pop for this man. please.

 

The website of Globo reported that another girl, aged 11, was being looked after in a hospital in southern Brazil after being found to be seven months' pregnant following alleged sexual abuse at the hands of her adoptive father.

That suspect, 51, turned himself into police in February.

He told officers he had had sexual relations once with his adopted daughter, at her initiative, according to the police chief for the town of Irai.

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They always say that, don't they ... "But ... this ten year old girl seduced me!"

i suppose there is some self delusion necessary for them to live with their actions. the whole thing makes me ill.

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BoxDog wrote:

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Psych Lit wrote:

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World Briefing | The Americas

Brazil: 9-Year-Old Has Abortion Despite Churchs Objections

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: March 5, 2009

ABORTION A 9-year-old girl who was carrying twins, and whose stepfather is suspected of raping her, underwent an abortion on Wednesday despite complaints from Brazils Roman Catholic Church. The stepfather has been jailed since last week, the police said. Abortion is illegal in Brazil, the country with the most Roman Catholics, but judges can make exceptions if the mothers life is in danger or the fetus has no chance of survival. Fatima Maia, director of the public university hospital where the abortion was performed, said the pregnancy, which was in its 15th week, posed a serious risk to the girl, who weighs 80 pounds. But Marcio Miranda, a lawyer for the Archdiocese of Olinda and Recife in northeastern Brazil, said the girl should have carried the twins to term and had a Caesarean section. Its the law of God: Do not kill, he said in comments reported by the newspaper O Globo.

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Just another observation.  I don't see anything in this story where the adultery is being protested, condemned or even mentioned.  The term stepfather suggests this man was married to the girl's mother.

Sure, this guy is in jail, but for rape, right, not adultery.

What do they have to say about that?  It's a commandment just like murder.  Is one worth mentioning more than another?

 

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The snippet we have doesn't indicate, at all, what charge the man is jailed for. It simply states that as of a week or so ago he was in jail. He may be there for killing an Amazon Tree Frog. In many places endangered species garner more protection than women, women-children and little girls. Betcha too this poor child isn't the only minor in that "home". The way I see it, the pope can preach whatever HE wishes. If a grown man doesn't realize without being told otherwise that a nine year old child is not an appropriate surrogate sex partner then I do in fact wish him the death penalty. And I really want to use the fff word.

 

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Yep. It gets worse:

Article from: Agence France-Presse
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They always say that, don't they ... "But ... this ten year old girl seduced me!"

 

Psych Lit wrote:

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World Briefing | The Americas

Brazil: 9-Year-Old Has Abortion Despite Churchs Objections

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: March 5, 2009

ABORTION A 9-year-old girl who was carrying twins, and whose stepfather is suspected of raping her, underwent an abortion on Wednesday despite complaints from Brazils Roman Catholic Church. The stepfather has been jailed since last week, the police said. Abortion is illegal in Brazil, the country with the most Roman Catholics, but judges can make exceptions if the mothers life is in danger or the fetus has no chance of survival. Fatima Maia, director of the public university hospital where the abortion was performed, said the pregnancy, which was in its 15th week, posed a serious risk to the girl, who weighs 80 pounds. But Marcio Miranda, a lawyer for the Archdiocese of Olinda and Recife in northeastern Brazil, said the girl should have carried the twins to term and had a Caesarean section. Its the law of God: Do not kill, he said in comments reported by the newspaper O Globo.

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Just another observation.  I don't see anything in this story where the adultery is being protested, condemned or even mentioned.  The term stepfather suggests this man was married to the girl's mother.

Sure, this guy is in jail, but for rape, right, not adultery.

What do they have to say about that?  It's a commandment just like murder.  Is one worth mentioning more than another?

 

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

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BD>>  Remarkable, and obviously tragic on so many levels. To be raped by the stepfather and capable of conceiving at nine years old. Add to that the outcry by the Catholic church? I am struck by the comment "stepfather is suspected of raping her". They have access to DNA testing in Brazil, so either the child of 80 pounds was raped by him or not, or what? At fifteen weeks pregnant surely there was sufficient time to determine the father? Or is there an implication that she seduced him? This is tragic. The Church says the law of god says do not kill, yes. It's not the laws of "man". It also says "bury your dead". To me that would include the soul of a nine year olf child who has been through this terrible, illegal, violent invasion of her little body and spirit. Everything we know we know by six, until we have to relearn it from the torture of some sick *******, throw the church in and women are still just "things", even the little women-children. Sad. <<BD

 

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Sorta makes you wonder, though, at what age you begin to talk to kids about sex in terms of things like abstinence, contraception and rape. I mean ... this little girl was NINE!  

 

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 Now wait a minute.  Let's not lose sight of something.  This girl was 9 when she got pregnant by the jerk.  Are we expected to believe this was the only time this guy raped his step-child, and against the law of probability, she ended up pregnant...with twins, at age 9, weighing in at 80 lbs.

This story is so horrible, I just want to cry.  After that, I want to go wring the pope's neck and slap some sense into him.

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

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... Because, yes you can legislate morality. It's called the deathy penalty. And while statistics read that most civilized nations have abolished the punishment, the truth is that their police departments, citizens and rogue vigilantes of these other civilized countries punish the perpetrator before they ever become a happy statistic in the third world "legal" system. That's why it's so easy for them to sign on to the abolishing that form of punishment. They don't allow the perp entrance into the legal system. They handle their sh*t. 

 

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When you look at the ten US states with the highest homicide rate per capita, all but two (Alaska and Hawaii) have the death penalty, which might suggest just the opposite.

 

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But the topic was rape, and specifically incestuous rape of a child. A very small child. Not a gang member involved in a drive-by. This, absolutely may be a deterrent to this type of "casual" criminal?

 

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I was thinking more along the lines of educating men. And ignorant grown women. Not the victims or the abused, their children, their neighbors kids, their nieces and nephews.  Teaching them that women and children aren't "things", property, filling stations. Not outlets for their frustration, violence and sperm. Not sex toys or punching bags. Not conveniences, proprietary items. More importantly, that consequences should be expected from abuse of rape, just as a pregnancy is a consequence of the attack.

its been an interesting week for women. ive been watching the coverage of rihanna and chris brown and how thats been taken up by people in the community and frankly, my mind is blown here. i was listening to HLN last night discussing this and a male participant said its a simple assault charge him, give him some anger management classes and move on.  i was stunned. this same network has spent months on the case of a woman suspected of killing her child but violence against women at the hands of a male is a lets move on moment.  His female counterpart tho verbally slapped him for that moment of idiocy. later tho i heard an expert keith ablow go on to blame this victim by saying that she allowed the abuse because of her low self esteem. he added that she must have her drug of abuse and that is why she, and women like her, return to their abusers. at minimum this shows complete ignorance of domestic violence issues. we were chatting about this at work this morning and how this is viewed really does split along gender lines. one male LMFT said that she bears an equal responsibility for her abuse because she "allowed it" to happen.  in his mind, women are required to stand up to their abusers and say firmly no and this will of course stop them. i reminded him of tracy thurman the woman with the order of protection who was attacked and had her throat slit by her former husband while the torrington police stood 20 feet away looking on or the number of women who are killed trying to do exactly what hes suggesting they do.  i also reminded him that these relationships dont begin with a death threat.  its a gradual process that requires deprogramming not blame. and yet these are the folks that the abused and the abusers are sent to see when they are placed in the system. if they dont get it how the hell are they going to do any good?

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Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

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Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

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World Briefing | The Americas

Brazil: 9-Year-Old Has Abortion Despite Churchs Objections

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: March 5, 2009

ABORTION A 9-year-old girl who was carrying twins, and whose stepfather is suspected of raping her, underwent an abortion on Wednesday despite complaints from Brazils Roman Catholic Church. The stepfather has been jailed since last week, the police said. Abortion is illegal in Brazil, the country with the most Roman Catholics, but judges can make exceptions if the mothers life is in danger or the fetus has no chance of survival. Fatima Maia, director of the public university hospital where the abortion was performed, said the pregnancy, which was in its 15th week, posed a serious risk to the girl, who weighs 80 pounds. But Marcio Miranda, a lawyer for the Archdiocese of Olinda and Recife in northeastern Brazil, said the girl should have carried the twins to term and had a Caesarean section. Its the law of God: Do not kill, he said in comments reported by the newspaper O Globo.

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Remarkable, and obviously tragic on so many levels. To be raped by the stepfather and capable of conceiving at nine years old. Add to that the outcry by the Catholic church? I am struck by the comment "stepfather is suspected of raping her". They have access to DNA testing in Brazil, so either the child of 80 pounds was raped by him or not, or what? At fifteen weeks pregnant surely there was sufficient time to determine the father? Or is there an implication that she seduced him? This is tragic. The Church says the law of god says do not kill, yes. It's not the laws of "man". It also says "bury your dead". To me that would include the soul of a nine year olf child who has been through this terrible, illegal, violent invasion of her little body and spirit. Everything we know we know by six, until we have to relearn it from the torture of some sick *******, throw the church in and women are still just "things", even the little women-children. Sad.

 

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From this source: Late-term abortion: Facts, Discussion Forum, and Encyclopedia Article

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Definition of "late-term"

 "...the exact point when a pregnancy becomes late-term is not clearly defined. Some sources define an abortion after 12 completed weeks' gestation as "late".

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Not all, not most even, but "some."
There are those in prominent positions in this country who would deny this child an abortion, and "counsel her to choose life" without batting an eye, and could do so in good legal standing.

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Opposition to abortion is global. At least in the US, it's legal, and available.

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 In Brazil, it's illegal at any stage of gestation or situation. I'm not oppsed to education, unbiased counseling. Not at all. Obviously something lacked in education up to the point of the pregnancy. Barring rape/incestuous rape, that is. 

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Sorta makes you wonder, though, at what age you begin to talk to kids about sex in terms of things like abstinence, contraception and rape. I mean ... this little girl was NINE!  

 

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I was thinking more along the lines of educating men. And ignorant grown women. Not the victims or the abused, their children, their neighbors kids, their nieces and nephews.  Teaching them that women and children aren't "things", property, filling stations. Not outlets for their frustration, violence and sperm. Not sex toys or punching bags. Not conveniences, proprietary items. More importantly, that consequences should be expected from abuse of rape, just as a pregnancy is a consequence of the attack. Because, yes you can legislate morality. It's called the deathy penalty. And while statistics read that most civilized nations have abolished the punishment, the truth is that their police departments, citizens and rogue vigilantes of these other civilized countries punish the perpetrator before they ever become a happy statistic in the third world "legal" system. That's why it's so easy for them to sign on to the abolishing that form of punishment. They don't allow the perp entrance into the legal system. They handle their sh*t. 

 

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

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BoxDog wrote:

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Psych Lit wrote:

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World Briefing | The Americas

Brazil: 9-Year-Old Has Abortion Despite Churchs Objections

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: March 5, 2009

ABORTION A 9-year-old girl who was carrying twins, and whose stepfather is suspected of raping her, underwent an abortion on Wednesday despite complaints from Brazils Roman Catholic Church. The stepfather has been jailed since last week, the police said. Abortion is illegal in Brazil, the country with the most Roman Catholics, but judges can make exceptions if the mothers life is in danger or the fetus has no chance of survival. Fatima Maia, director of the public university hospital where the abortion was performed, said the pregnancy, which was in its 15th week, posed a serious risk to the girl, who weighs 80 pounds. But Marcio Miranda, a lawyer for the Archdiocese of Olinda and Recife in northeastern Brazil, said the girl should have carried the twins to term and had a Caesarean section. Its the law of God: Do not kill, he said in comments reported by the newspaper O Globo.

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Remarkable, and obviously tragic on so many levels. To be raped by the stepfather and capable of conceiving at nine years old. Add to that the outcry by the Catholic church? I am struck by the comment "stepfather is suspected of raping her". They have access to DNA testing in Brazil, so either the child of 80 pounds was raped by him or not, or what? At fifteen weeks pregnant surely there was sufficient time to determine the father? Or is there an implication that she seduced him? This is tragic. The Church says the law of god says do not kill, yes. It's not the laws of "man". It also says "bury your dead". To me that would include the soul of a nine year olf child who has been through this terrible, illegal, violent invasion of her little body and spirit. Everything we know we know by six, until we have to relearn it from the torture of some sick *******, throw the church in and women are still just "things", even the little women-children. Sad.

 

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From this source: Late-term abortion: Facts, Discussion Forum, and Encyclopedia Article

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Definition of "late-term"

 "...the exact point when a pregnancy becomes late-term is not clearly defined. Some sources define an abortion after 12 completed weeks' gestation as "late".

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Not all, not most even, but "some."
There are those in prominent positions in this country who would deny this child an abortion, and "counsel her to choose life" without batting an eye, and could do so in good legal standing.

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Opposition to abortion is global. At least in the US, it's legal, and available. In Brazil, it's illegal at any stage of gestation or situation. I'm not oppsed to education, unbiased counseling. Not at all. Obviously something lacked in education up to the point of the pregnancy. Barring rape/incestuous rape, that is. 

Psych Lit wrote:

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World Briefing | The Americas

Brazil: 9-Year-Old Has Abortion Despite Churchs Objections

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: March 5, 2009

ABORTION A 9-year-old girl who was carrying twins, and whose stepfather is suspected of raping her, underwent an abortion on Wednesday despite complaints from Brazils Roman Catholic Church. The stepfather has been jailed since last week, the police said. Abortion is illegal in Brazil, the country with the most Roman Catholics, but judges can make exceptions if the mothers life is in danger or the fetus has no chance of survival. Fatima Maia, director of the public university hospital where the abortion was performed, said the pregnancy, which was in its 15th week, posed a serious risk to the girl, who weighs 80 pounds. But Marcio Miranda, a lawyer for the Archdiocese of Olinda and Recife in northeastern Brazil, said the girl should have carried the twins to term and had a Caesarean section. Its the law of God: Do not kill, he said in comments reported by the newspaper O Globo.

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Remarkable, and obviously tragic on so many levels. To be raped by the stepfather and capable of conceiving at nine years old. Add to that the outcry by the Catholic church? I am struck by the comment "stepfather is suspected of raping her". They have access to DNA testing in Brazil, so either the child of 80 pounds was raped by him or not, or what? At fifteen weeks pregnant surely there was sufficient time to determine the father? Or is there an implication that she seduced him? This is tragic. The Church says the law of god says do not kill, yes. It's not the laws of "man". It also says "bury your dead". To me that would include the soul of a nine year olf child who has been through this terrible, illegal, violent invasion of her little body and spirit. Everything we know we know by six, until we have to relearn it from the torture of some sick *******, throw the church in and women are still just "things", even the little women-children. Sad.