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My Turn · Senior Member

RE: SOS

Psych Lit · Guru

My Turn wrote:

when a one soldier i know was being investigated for "being gay" and was asked if she was a homosexual, she responded with something along the lines of, sir, per the policy of dont ask, dont tell, you are not authorized to ask me that question. of course i am paraphrasing and her response was much better than what i wrote...but the "you are not authorized" part is an exact quote. i thought that was an excellant answer.

that would be a great answer if the asking were without someones accusing another,whether an unwanted advance, or in this case a coworker who saw her kissing her lover in wally world or somewhere similar and ratted her out. in those instances i do believe that those in charge get to ask and that the burden of disproving the allegation falls to the person accused to show that they are not. so they either have to deny who they or leave. s hitty system isnt it?

-- Edited by Psych Lit at 22:20, 2009-02-23

Psych Lit · Guru

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

"...Brian said she was later told, "You're being investigated for homosexual misconduct."

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Now, there's a chilling phrase...

And what exactly does that mean, "homosexual misconduct" for a woman, anyway?
Not wearing "sensible" shoes?

"investigated" how?

it presupposed that there is an acceptable homosexual conduct. wonder what that is and how misconducting is done? nails too long?

ok being serious here the number of people who have been booted from the military under this policy is ridiculous. i wonder if there is a pattern in the dismissals? is it when their cannon fodder days have passed but before they can get the pension? that wouldnt surprise me as it was only a year or so ago that an investigation was conducted having to do with dismissals for section 8 when dealing with post war PTSD. If the govt is sleazy enough to do that they are certainly capable of booting soldiers for "homosexual misconduct"

-- Edited by Psych Lit at 22:16, 2009-02-23

My Turn · Senior Member

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

"...Brian said she was later told, "You're being investigated for homosexual misconduct."

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Now, there's a chilling phrase...

And what exactly does that mean, "homosexual misconduct" for a woman, anyway?
Not wearing "sensible" shoes?

"investigated" how?

when a one soldier i know was being investigated for "being gay" and was asked if she was a homosexual, she responded with something along the lines of, sir, per the policy of dont ask, dont tell, you are not authorized to ask me that question. of course i am paraphrasing and her response was much better than what i wrote...but the "you are not authorized" part is an exact quote. i thought that was an excellant answer.

-- Edited by My Turn at 21:00, 2009-02-23

BoxDog · Guru

Nightowlhoot3 wrote:

"...Brian said she was later told, "You're being investigated for homosexual misconduct."

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Now, there's a chilling phrase...

And what exactly does that mean, "homosexual misconduct" for a woman, anyway?
Not wearing "sensible" shoes?

"investigated" how?

In a civil court that would be dismissed, even criminal if that were the actual charge. "Homosexual misconduct". There is no such standard to compare or or draw that conclusion. It would remain critical that an investigation of any sort lend the proper or best suited "charge" against the alleged offender. It would seem that the most fitting and only investigation tool here would be the one that may raise the issue of "conduct unbecoming a soldier" or "military misconduct". DADT, presumes everyone is heterosexual, though it does not mandate heterosexuality as a "lifestyle". What it does do is prequalify an extra ten or so percent of good American women and men to their census, to fight and serve the nation as needed, or as the powers see fit. I haven't heard of any lesbian or gay men raping, impregnating, stabbing, burning and burying the body of a co soldier. It would seem to me the military needs to address male to female violence, sexual attacks and other forms of sexual harrassment before they run around chasing good soldiers in civilian clothing out of walmart parking lots who are making out with their, anyone really.

Nightowlhoot3 · Guru

"...Brian said she was later told, "You're being investigated for homosexual misconduct."

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Now, there's a chilling phrase...

And what exactly does that mean, "homosexual misconduct" for a woman, anyway?
Not wearing "sensible" shoes?

"investigated" how?

Nightowlhoot3 · Guru

And that DOESN'T stand for "save our ship."

Wasn't our new president going to do something about this? Last thing I read said he was CONSIDERING trying to make the change in 2010.

Too damn late for Amy, though.

A Kansas National Guard Member Returns From Iraq To A Girlfriend's Kiss...And A Discharge »

President Barack Obama has promised to repeal the military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy relating to homosexual service members, but gays and lesbians are still being forced out of the military.

As CBS News correspondent Ross Palombo reports, even seasoned soldiers are losing their careers.

Amy Brian served in the Kansas National Guard for nine years. She fought in Iraq and survived an IED attack. Instead of being treated as a war hero, this second-generation soldier has been booted out--a victim of the government's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy. "All of a sudden you wake up real quick and think, 'Oh, this is reality,'" she said.

She ran into trouble when a coworker saw her off-duty and out of uniform at Wal-Mart. That woman told the military: Brian was kissing her girlfriend.

Brian said she was later told, "You're being investigated for homosexual misconduct." She insists everyone knew she was a lesbian, but nobody cared during combat. "I figured if no one asked me, that there wasn't a problem."

More than 12,500 gay and lesbian soldiers have been discharged since "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" began in 1993.

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