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Psych Lit · Guru

RE: license plate scanners

BoxDog · Guru

Psych Lit wrote:

BoxDog wrote:

To me it comes down to if we aren't breaking the law we really don't have a concern, do we?

depends on the law and what the laws may be in the future. in my head we all get to be good or bad and we get to choose which way we will go but when we got the oppressors boot on our neck preventing us from misbehaving then weve lost something in the free choice spin of the wheel. its guilty until proven innocent. i understand the supposed benefits, it does allow the collection of those fees but it also encourages more tickets and more rules and regulations and then there is the values issue. which do we value more those freedoms given to us in the constitution or the speedy collection of taxes? imo the fewer rules the better the more rules the more chances to transgress. look at the laws from a hundred years ago. many of them make us laugh today. what will people think of the present laws in 100 years from today? and what will they think of how we sold out our freedoms to accomodate the enforcement of those laws?

Florida is currently in a near 3 bill dollar deficit largely based upon uncollected taxes. Recovery could start with one illegally parked car. Ever been hit by someone that has an illegal tag on a stolen car without any insurance? I don't think those of us who take care of those minor, expensive details every month should be forced to absorb the costs of the losers that cruise our streets illegally. AND want free parking on top of that.

personally id trade mass transit for free parking. lol. yeah ive been hit by the uninsured and my ins co picked up the tab when thats happened and then i presume they go after the uninsured? i think we have to find ways to bring down the cost of car insurance. i pay a fortune for it because im paying for my kids who are still in school. its an enormous expense for me and ive never had a chargeable accident. i have insurance because they make me have it. id self insure if theyd let me.

As long as we continue to elect idiots they will continue to create idiotic laws. Did you happen to catch Claire McCaskill ranting on the Senate floor a couple of days ago. To me any of her valid points and possible concerns were buried by her near illiterate rantings and "name calling". She must have said jerks, idiots, morons, jerks and idiots a dozen times when referring to the bailout recipients of last fall. She NEVER genuinely appeared to realize she was part of the problem, they all were. No demands or expectations or guidelines, cash. No strings attached. The big bank guys got the money, had no rules, and to me? Ethical or not, they had every right to buy a goldplated commode. Like I said, moral, ethical, right or wrong, it doesn't really matter. No rules, no bytchin bout it after. She was truly "shrill". I went back to youtube to catch it again just to make sure I think she's an "idiot". I do. As to the point of our auto insurance carriers going after the other driver? More often than not the guilty driver didn't have insurance because they couldn't afford it. How long would any of us spend chasing after, nothing? And that's the reason we have things in place like parking tickets and court imposed suspensions, those are the ways by which things can get done because it goes directly to someones wallet. People have to "fix" everything before they get their car back. And that may just include past due child support. I don't have a problem with using traffic court to clean the streets and bag the deadbeat parent. Nobody gets a boot on their car for one expired meter. You'd be amazed at the number of folks on that show that run into the streets screaming how they knew it was just a matter of time... I happen to like rules. Mass transit is great, often. I love it. But I have city on my blood. Some people are lost without a car. And others are totally stranded without one. This recent bill that's being looked at is going to fail Chicagos mass transit system. Apparently they have everything in place for a revamped mass transit, right down to some stilts and poles in the ground and no cash to complete this "infrastructure" project. They will be left out. This is Chicago we're talking about. Mass transit isn't a luxury, but necessity. Inner city laborers would actually benefit from working on the project, yet it's not included. Like I said about electing idiots. A few good chapters in a 600 page bill don't wash with me. Or 11 other democrats. Certainly wasn't cause to throw a ****tail party for the barely passed bill in the House, that seemed a bit inappropriate when discussing how our dollars are wasted. ;) Later, chore time.

Psych Lit · Guru

BoxDog wrote:

To me it comes down to if we aren't breaking the law we really don't have a concern, do we?
depends on the law and what the laws may be in the future. in my head we all get to be good or bad and we get to choose which way we will go but when we got the oppressors boot on our neck preventing us from misbehaving then weve lost something in the free choice spin of the wheel. its guilty until proven innocent. i understand the supposed benefits, it does allow the collection of those fees but it also encourages more tickets and more rules and regulations and then there is the values issue. which do we value more those freedoms given to us in the constitution or the speedy collection of taxes? imo the fewer rules the better the more rules the more chances to transgress. look at the laws from a hundred years ago. many of them make us laugh today. what will people think of the present laws in 100 years from today? and what will they think of how we sold out our freedoms to accomodate the enforcement of those laws?

Florida is currently in a near 3 bill dollar deficit largely based upon uncollected taxes. Recovery could start with one illegally parked car. Ever been hit by someone that has an illegal tag on a stolen car without any insurance? I don't think those of us who take care of those minor, expensive details every month should be forced to absorb the costs of the losers that cruise our streets illegally. AND want free parking on top of that.

personally id trade mass transit for free parking. lol. yeah ive been hit by the uninsured and my ins co picked up the tab when thats happened and then i presume they go after the uninsured? i think we have to find ways to bring down the cost of car insurance. i pay a fortune for it because im paying for my kids who are still in school. its an enormous expense for me and ive never had a chargeable accident. i have insurance because they make me have it. id self insure if theyd let me.

BoxDog · Guru

Psych Lit wrote:

I was thumbing thru newspapers at lunch today and saw an article about license plate scanner use spreading to most municipalities in ct.

these scanners sit on top of the cruiser and scan the plates of passing cars and the info is run against various data bases and if a hit happens they come and getcha.

in the past you had to do something to get pulled over. probable cause to stop you but with these gizmos this is not the case. and its not only road violations that this will catch. it also catches unpaid parking tickets and car taxes. car taxes are a civil matter not a criminal matter, why is this a reason to stop people? anyway if you get nabbed they boot your car then and there.

this is objectionable in so many ways. first there is the database that records all of these plates and then there is the idea that people are continuously surveilled. i suppose it wont be long before these scanners are on every corner street light. heres a u tube of how it works. as the cop says in the video this will revolutionize how we police. omfg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENGY1CD9y_4

http://www.aetv.com/parking-wars/

So, A&E's "Parking Wars" Show is new to you? :) Apparently Philly is downright infamous for this. And the couple of times I've stumbled across it have been a mixed bag of emotions. First there's the appearance of civil violation by parking autorities. The snowball effect, on the positive side, is that while you may see parking tickets as civil in nature they really are criminal in that the fines associated with license suspensions, revocations, court costs, the number of uninsured motorists that are uncovered, people sharing licese plates....is all a part of a city and state tax collection fund. Reserves are based on collecting these fines. The folks that get booted are often downright ugly and non chalant. A small majority realize they were playing with a loaded gun, but by the time they get the boot, the tickets and court costs caught up to retrieve the towed car, they are more likely to change their behavior. Me? I really think anything used to streamline and simplify a job is usually a good thing. If you watch these shows alot of the Philly Traffic Auth. actually know by repeat offending cars long before they wave the wand. Really I sometimes think the shame is that the wand isn't then tied into a national db to then check criminal backgrounds and warrants, may as well. How many times have we heard a child molester, bank robber, murderer, drug dealer, deadbeat dads! was "right under our noses" and we never knew it?

To me it comes down to if we aren't breaking the law we really don't have a concern, do we? Florida is currently in a near 3 bill dollar deficit largely based upon uncollected taxes. Recovery could start with one illegally parked car. Ever been hit by someone that has an illegal tag on a stolen car without any insurance? I don't think those of us who take care of those minor, expensive details every month should be forced to absorb the costs of the losers that cruise our streets illegally. AND want free parking on top of that.

Psych Lit · Guru

I was thumbing thru newspapers at lunch today and saw an article about license plate scanner use spreading to most municipalities in ct.

these scanners sit on top of the cruiser and scan the plates of passing cars and the info is run against various data bases and if a hit happens they come and getcha.

in the past you had to do something to get pulled over. probable cause to stop you but with these gizmos this is not the case. and its not only road violations that this will catch. it also catches unpaid parking tickets and car taxes. car taxes are a civil matter not a criminal matter, why is this a reason to stop people? anyway if you get nabbed they boot your car then and there.

this is objectionable in so many ways. first there is the database that records all of these plates and then there is the idea that people are continuously surveilled. i suppose it wont be long before these scanners are on every corner street light. heres a u tube of how it works. as the cop says in the video this will revolutionize how we police. omfg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENGY1CD9y_4