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lol and oh, btw, dar is looking lovely tonight.



 BTW, she is showing a significant change of "status" recently. From married to single. Whoa. Big change, if true of course, it's "just" the internet, but really, changing a public status like that just recently provoked that nutjob in England to kill his ex wife. At any rate, it's a huge change. Dontcha think?

wow. now that i hadnt heard. will she be selling cds afterward? if so thats a chance to mingle;)


"But way back where I come from, we never mean to bother,
We dont like to make our passions other peoples concern,
And we walk in the world of safe people, and at night we walk into our houses and burn".







I simply planned to wait in the bus for her. Too bold?



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Psych Lit wrote:

lol and oh, btw, dar is looking lovely tonight.



 BTW, she is showing a significant change of "status" recently. From married to single. Whoa. Big change, if true of course, it's "just" the internet, but really, changing a public status like that just recently provoked that nutjob in England to kill his ex wife. At any rate, it's a huge change. Dontcha think?

wow. now that i hadnt heard. will she be selling cds afterward? if so thats a chance to mingle;)


"But way back where I come from, we never mean to bother,
We dont like to make our passions other peoples concern,
And we walk in the world of safe people, and at night we walk into our houses and burn".

 




 



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lol and oh, btw, dar is looking lovely tonight.



Lovely everynight, and day, and on and on and on. And for just one night next week it'll be nice to think of nothing but absorbing her wit and sounds and charm. Oh and fantasize about having my biggest (sorry Misty) crush ever right there, in an 800 seat venue, 29 blocks from home. She melts my head. BTW, she is showing a significant change of "status" recently. From married to single. Whoa. Big change, if true of course, it's "just" the internet, but really, changing a public status like that just recently provoked that nutjob in England to kill his ex wife. At any rate, it's a huge change. Dontcha think? I'll find out more, swear to god. dess. Good gawd it's about she "owns it" if her writings have been true to her own heart. If not? Then she makes a better more effective lesbian songwriter and storyteller than ANY "real" lesbian, non-lesbian, hetero identifying lesbian or ex lesbian I've ever heard. ;)


"But way back where I come from, we never mean to bother,
We dont like to make our passions other peoples concern,
And we walk in the world of safe people, and at night we walk into our houses and burn".


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The newspaper reported that police paraded the goat before journalists, and published a picture of the animal.


Police in the state couldn't immediately be reached for comment.

Belief in black magic is widespread in Nigeria, particularly in far-flung rural areas.


Wonder what type of Snark Denby would whip up over this journalists offering.  Or would he suddenly take the "high road". I don't know how this is going to copy, but it was covered by some female for the Associated Press and reported on today. I also have to wonder who the reporter pissed off to get this assignment.

hey it could have been worse. they might have been sent to cover blagos appearance today!
a goat eh? well...im thinking this was mighty good thinking on the part of the criminals. which way did they go? hey mon he turned into a goat! no really! there he is! see?  i mean its not like you can arrest a goat! mebbe bin laden can use this if and when hes cornered in those caves. im thinking tho of the differences between religion and black magic. aside from the obvious one where black magic is done to gain something personal at the physical expense of someone else and yet a lot of regular religious practices are also similarly self attuned arent they? oh please god let me win a bazillion dollars, oh god let me lose 20 lbs, please let me keep my job etc all of those are self attuned as well and sort of encouraged. and you cauld say well winning the lottery or praying for a job isnt the same as turning someone into a zombie but for every answered prayer there are a whole bunch of unanswered prayers for others. if we win lotto then someone else loses and while we dont necessarily pray that they lose by praying that we win we are in effect doing just that.  these kinds of distinctions in a lot of areas of our life. the military for example. i was hearing a lot from the pro lifers yesterday and that distinction, pro life when it comes to potential babies and not so pro when it comes to war or to capital punishment. lots of these exceptional moments in life i guess. just rambling here thats sort of what went thru my head when i read about the goat. lol and oh, btw, dar is looking lovely tonight.



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CULTURE

No Laughing Matter

A critic for The New Yorker explains how serious public conversation is being ruined by sarcastic, snide remarks.


Critic David Denby was sick of the insidious, sarcastic discourse that he found online. So he did what any other New Yorker writer might do (see Malcolm Gladwell) and wrote a book with a vague, one-word title. "Snark" (Simon and Schuster), an extended essay that analyzes our conversations and all the insults buried within them, builds a timeline that spans from the Roman poet Juvenal up through the gossip Web site Gawker.com and finds Denby arguing that the need to be seen as funny or clever is ruining our conversation.

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i have to say that theres a part of this article that feels..well..snarky. lol
however i do agree with what hes saying to a large extent. im surprised that anyone wants to be in the public eye in these days where the line between tmz and the cable news outlets is so blurred. how much of what is talked about these days is gossip and how much has real news value?




Newspaper claims suspect transformed into a goat

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    • Fri Jan 23, 6:07 pm ET

LAGOS, Nigeria One of Nigeria's biggest daily newspapers reported that police implicated a goat in an attempted automobile theft. In a front-page article on Friday, the Vanguard newspaper said that two men tried to steal a Mazda car two days earlier in Kwara State, with one suspect transforming himself into a goat as vigilantes cornered him.


The paper quoted police spokesman Tunde Mohammed as saying that while one suspect escaped, the other transformed into a goat as he was about to be apprehended.


The newspaper reported that police paraded the goat before journalists, and published a picture of the animal.


Police in the state couldn't immediately be reached for comment.

Belief in black magic is widespread in Nigeria, particularly in far-flung rural areas.


Wonder what type of Snark Denby would whip up over this journalists offering.  Or would he suddenly take the "high road". I don't know how this is going to copy, but it was covered by some female for the Associated Press and reported on today. I also have to wonder who the reporter pissed off to get this assignment. 



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CULTURE

No Laughing Matter

A critic for The New Yorker explains how serious public conversation is being ruined by sarcastic, snide remarks.


Critic David Denby was sick of the insidious, sarcastic discourse that he found online. So he did what any other New Yorker writer might do (see Malcolm Gladwell) and wrote a book with a vague, one-word title. "Snark" (Simon and Schuster), an extended essay that analyzes our conversations and all the insults buried within them, builds a timeline that spans from the Roman poet Juvenal up through the gossip Web site Gawker.com and finds Denby arguing that the need to be seen as funny or clever is ruining our conversation. He sat down with NEWSWEEK's Kurt Soller to discuss his theory. Excerpts:

NEWSWEEK: What drew you to writing about snark?
David Denby: I'm a journalist
, and with so many print publications starting to subside, there's this aggression where sarcastic, low, teasing, undermining remarks were driving out more sensible kinds of writing. Snark is becoming the universal, and older people are afraid they're going to be left out of the party.

As a man of a certain age, are you afraid?
I'm not going to be hurt at my age at what anyone says about me. I'm 65. But if you're young and you sleep around or do some cocaine at a party in college, it's going to show up on Google 10 years later. I'm sure these snarky insults have an inhibiting effect on people's behavior.

So the Internet is ruining all the fun.
This book isn't an attack on the Internet. But a lot of people have become snoopy busybodies and the vehicle of that is snark. You don't go on JuicyCampus or other Web sites to solemnly complain, you try to make a joke. Somebody who used to be stuck muttering to himself can now shout out loud.

How does this affect our right to privacy?
Privacy is one of the great triumphs of bourgeoisie, where one can have a space where he can act responsibly, or irresponsibly. If we can't go somewhere without someone taking our pictures, then we're inviting ourselves to be snarked.

That's even worse if you're already in the public eye. Can we talk about Obama?
In the book, I discuss how when people spoke about him during the campaign, I felt like much of the conversation was in coded racist insults. When people said he was Muslim, people were really talking about race. But racial prejudice is not something anyone can openly admit anymore. Snark is the antidote for "We don't want black people here, but we're not going to say that." I was worried he wouldn't win, and it turned out I was wrong. So many people protected our Democratic prince.

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i have to say that theres a part of this article that feels..well..snarky. lol
however i do agree with what hes saying to a large extent. im surprised that anyone wants to be in the public eye in these days where the line between tmz and the cable news outlets is so blurred. how much of what is talked about these days is gossip and how much has real news value?




Take that to another level and we have the problem of just how many people really could not care less if what they read, see, hear or repeat is true.  Really, look what happened last night. Within a span of 6 hours I read and heard that Kennedy bowed out, bowed back in, Paterson never really considered her seriously as a contender, he did really consider her very viable, and finally at midnight:03 she emails his office, and bows out, no really bows out. Now it's gone beyond the nanny and taxes and the tiresome story thats hovered over her failing marriage for several years and landed right in the lap of a potential affair with the owner(?) of the New York Times. Indeed, too much. I'm going to work tomorrow. 


"Privacy is one of the great triumphs of bourgeoisie"

I find this irrelevant and unfounded. Like he created some chest puffing quote du jour. Pretentious. It's simply untrue. By definition triumphant privacy would veil the flaws, evils, embarrassments of the bourgeoise. As long as there's class distinction, human curiousity and someone to capture the photo that someone else wishes to purchase the bourgeoise are no more capable of privacy, rather less so than the common or lower class. As unpalatable as that reads, it's true. As long as there's class distinction the upper class will always be allowed to run from first straight to third as long as they fill the stands with their peers.  Maybe that's one reason they're making it so difficult for common folks to access channels, networks, news media. Who knows.

All I know is I laughed out loud when he immediately responded with "I'm a journalist"! It's so typical of a whiny "critic".  That's the irony I find to his offering of "Snark".




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CULTURE

No Laughing Matter

A critic for The New Yorker explains how serious public conversation is being ruined by sarcastic, snide remarks.


Critic David Denby was sick of the insidious, sarcastic discourse that he found online. So he did what any other New Yorker writer might do (see Malcolm Gladwell) and wrote a book with a vague, one-word title. "Snark" (Simon and Schuster), an extended essay that analyzes our conversations and all the insults buried within them, builds a timeline that spans from the Roman poet Juvenal up through the gossip Web site Gawker.com and finds Denby arguing that the need to be seen as funny or clever is ruining our conversation. He sat down with NEWSWEEK's Kurt Soller to discuss his theory. Excerpts:

NEWSWEEK: What drew you to writing about snark?
David Denby: I'm a journalist, and with so many print publications starting to subside, there's this aggression where sarcastic, low, teasing, undermining remarks were driving out more sensible kinds of writing. Snark is becoming the universal, and older people are afraid they're going to be left out of the party.

As a man of a certain age, are you afraid?
I'm not going to be hurt at my age at what anyone says about me. I'm 65. But if you're young and you sleep around or do some cocaine at a party in college, it's going to show up on Google 10 years later. I'm sure these snarky insults have an inhibiting effect on people's behavior.

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So the Internet is ruining all the fun.
This book isn't an attack on the Internet. But a lot of people have become snoopy busybodies and the vehicle of that is snark. You don't go on JuicyCampus or other Web sites to solemnly complain, you try to make a joke. Somebody who used to be stuck muttering to himself can now shout out loud.

How does this affect our right to privacy?
Privacy is one of the great triumphs of bourgeoisie, where one can have a space where he can act responsibly, or irresponsibly. If we can't go somewhere without someone taking our pictures, then we're inviting ourselves to be snarked.

That's even worse if you're already in the public eye. Can we talk about Obama?
In the book, I discuss how when people spoke about him during the campaign, I felt like much of the conversation was in coded racist insults. When people said he was Muslim, people were really talking about race. But racial prejudice is not something anyone can openly admit anymore. Snark is the antidote for "We don't want black people here, but we're not going to say that." I was worried he wouldn't win, and it turned out I was wrong. So many people protected our Democratic prince.

---------------------------------------------

i have to say that theres a part of this article that feels..well..snarky. lol
however i do agree with what hes saying to a large extent. im surprised that anyone wants to be in the public eye in these days where the line between tmz and the cable news outlets is so blurred. how much of what is talked about these days is gossip and how much has real news value?

 

 



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